I was thinking and The Elder Scrolls series has to be, at least from all the games I've played; one of the strangest vidya game series in history. Never have I seen a series get this 'dumbed down' with each new entry while keeping its general appeal and level of fun, don't get me wrong Morrowind is 10x as mentally stimulating than Oblivion and 50x more so than Skyrim, but I find myself playing Skyrim, and not Morrowind? I'm as big of an RPG fan as you'll find, I'm constantly hoping games have RPG elements and character-building (one reason I'm still committed to EA MMA) and I also enjoy roleplaying (hell I've even roleplayed in games like Saint's Row) yet I don't feel the same as other people when it comes to Skyrim.

Is it dumbed down? Yes.
Is it less enjoyable? No.

Maybe I'm somebody who takes more pleasure out of the world itself, out of the way the combat looks and feels and generally doesn't care if my character isn't a matrix style myriad of huge numbers floating in human form pumping out amazingly complex maths formulae just to inflict damage. I do 400% melée damage thanks to enchantments, 100 x 4 = 400. Simple yes? I don't care, I don't understand the obsession with the way it's done if the outcome is the same...

Honestly, the way people moan and [censored] is insane, I didn't see this much hate for Dark Souls... Just because it's been dumbed down doesn't make it less enjoyable, and who cares if destructions weaker? Magic is clearly the more difficult path which is fine unless you want it easy? Melée really THAT powerful you despise it the way you do? Don't use it, seriously. Or maybe turn up the difficulty, or do not use smithing?

Honestly it's like complaining about a pothole in a road and driving your car into it at 500mph. Some people must lead shallow lives to let such a problem cause them so much grief when they can simply pass it in 5 seconds and get over it!?

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Street Fighter series have been dumb and generally release the same thing.

You keep comparing two things that shouldn't be compared, if anything you want people to compare Skyrim with something over a decade old on purpose. In short I consider Skyrim bland compared to other new gen games let alone compared to it's past. Also combat is clunky having to use that menu. Dark Souls was an enjoyable game to play.

It's not important but your just a svck up to something that other people disprove of. Doesn't matter though but hey next time you can buy two copies since I probably wont.

I am shocked at all the complaining.

I really don't understand what people are looking for. This game has provided so many hours of entertainment for me so far and I haven't even scratched the surface of it yet.

People who expect perfect games upon release have never worked in any IT related field in their lives. The game also cannot cater to EVERY SINGLE DESIRE the gamer has. It's a great game. SUPERB game. Period.

All it really is, is that the Elder Scrolls series is still just that much better than a Majority of games you'd find today, so really "Bad" for Elder Scrolls is still "Fantastic" compared to most other things.

There is actually not that much complaining compared to some other games that came out recently. However, most of the complaining I see has no real basis or it seems like people are stretching their point to make a complaint. Not that there are not legitimate concerns about the game, but overall, it is a great game and I see many hundreds of hours of playing, before mods, in this installment.

Want to see complaining, visit the DA2 boards. BW actually killed a fanchise because they thought the people who loved DAO would like it.

Anyway, I have always been a supporter of the 'Work Smarter, Not Harder' motto, and that is true for gaming also. I do like many of the ways Skyrim made some things easier. Some things just don't have to be hard. I'm not saying that every choice they made was right, but overall I like what I've seen.

I've never worked in clothing manufacturing, but I know when a sweater has holes and is made of thin cotton, it's a poorly made sweater that should not have been sold as-is.

Some might like that sweater, claiming there is nothing wrong with it. But when you have worn other sweaters over the years made of thick, double-knit wool, you make the comparison.

The game is shallow and unbalanced. It is fully fixable through patches, but is not nearly a superb game until the glaring issues are fixed. My solution is to wait for January or so to try to play again, hoping for mods and patches to bring the game to a more release-quality state.

"Melée really THAT powerful you despise it the way you do? Don't use it, seriously."

That's the solution to people who think melee is too powerful?

Thanks for quoting half my statement, asshat.

"Melée really THAT powerful you despise it the way you do? Don't use it, seriously. Or maybe turn up the difficulty, or do not use smithing?"

Better?

Most people who complain about it being overpowered are playing on Master and don't use smithing. Or enchanting. Or should they not use the perks? Or not sneak? You see my point?

Suggesting not to use something is just silly. Especially when it's 1/3 of the combat options.

Call of duty is actually the most beaten down series it started out good but over time they just simplified mainstreamed stripped down and all around cloned the game for each release and now its pretty much seen as the bane of existence by most gamers its sad really it died before it even started to grow.

There's less to consider when playing Daggerfall than Skyrim.

Deal with it.

The problem is that everyone who is complaining has either never played an Elder Scrolls before and are more accustomed to other games (which shall remain nameless) or they have played previous Elder Scrolls and were hoping for a carbon copy of their favorite title.

It doesn't seem to me that many people are taking Skyrim for Skyrim.

Most of the things people complain about here are blown massively out of proportion or are just opinions on how they would have prefered to have seen it done.
There are issues with the game, but find a single game out there that is perfect (and if it was perfect for you I can guarantee it wouldn't be for someone else). Mods will help a lot for the PC crowd, and even without mods the game is pretty damn fun (my opinion - but I didn't buy the game expecting a gaming utopia). Some people even complain after 100+ hours, which in todays market is insane value for money for a singleplayer game.

I don't think this thread belongs into this forum section... But whatever.
Master of Orion
1 was very good
2 was a masterpiece
3 was... well let's just say it's a distant relative of the 2 nobody likes to talk about >.>

Thing is, most people who start a thread "bashing" something, probably really like the game. They just don't understand how they come across to others the way they word their thread.

There's something about threads like this complaining about complaining and the rules. :laugh:

For the most part they've focused on making it simple to play and not simpler. Very little dumbing down has occurred.

As I've mentioned often in similar threads, expectations play a major role. Just because a game is "good" doesn't mean someone isn't allowed to have complaints, especially against their expectations. Tetris, for example, is considered an excellent puzzle game. It's a classic that has stuck around for decades and many remakes. I like Tetris. If I bought Skyrim and took it out of the box and it was Tetris? I'd be pissed off. It's not what I wanted or expected to get. You say yourself that the series has changed, "dumbed down", and at this point it doesn't matter whether the product coming out of the box is "good" or not. It's not what they wanted to see, and their complaints are entirely understandable.

Oblivion is a good example of this, with excessive vitriol on both sides of the argument. Before release the game had a lot of video teasers that promised many things which never made it into the game. Things that many Morrowind fans specifically wanted to see improved from Morrowind. They opened the box and got a product that not only didn't live up to those claims, but as a whole had actually moved away from those factors. They were angry, because they got Tetris that they wouldn't have otherwise slammed down 50-60 bucks for. Now you have irrelevant and ridiculous arguments on both sides, with one declaring it to be a bad game not because of what it is but what it isn't, and others insulting their opinions not because of what they are but because they conflict with their own. The whole deal with blowing someone off as wanting "Morrowind 2" or whatever is absurd; it is not stupid to expect the next game in a series to resemble the previous game.

The TES series has definitely changed, in my view, away from "sandbox RPG" and toward "open-world action". People are going into the next game hoping for an improvement on the sandbox RPG features, and instead find them thrown away in favor of open-world action features. If you like open-world action as much or even more, then hey, it's great for you. These people tend to belittle the other side because they don't understand/feel what they're mad about, just as much as the ones getting a raw deal tend to insult the winners-by-coincidence out of frustration. Because the series has changed, these conflicts are inevitable, but most beaten down game series? No, not even close. Nowhere near even any sort of top ten. Mega Man would like a word with you.

Clothing doesn't contain complex codes of data that can be extremely finicky and unpredictable, especially when on a budget and deadline. My grandmothers sews and nits clothing and its far less complicated. Comparing creating a video game to making a sweater is not a very good comparison in my opinion.

Uh....what you are seeing, the shrieking on the board, is the loud nerd minority.

DA2 was wildly successful. There will be a DA3.

COD4 was really a simple multiplayer experience compared to the other CODs after it which added things to the mix. You create a class and unlock weapons and attachments over time. There is three kill streaks preset for COD4. Same thing with WAW I think as well , just added a zombie mode. Then you get MW2 with more killstreaks on which you can choose which ones you want. There was more attachments , there was titles and emblems as well. And I think everyone knows the rest, the problem with your statement is that COD has always been a simple game , just the focus on the multiplayer has increased over time and the importance of the single player has declined.

Only if you measure preorders and first-days sales...which we based almost entirely on people buying it because they loved DA:O. After that, the sales plummet like meteor. To this day, DA2 gets pure **** reviews as it deserves. The only, and I mean only reasons there will be a DA3 is because:
1. People are indeed dumb enough to svck up whatever formless gray mass EA pukes up.
2. There are still a few holdouts that think Bioware can put out a good game with the company that spawned BUTTON->AWESOME calling the shots.
3. EA needs to recoup as much of the losses they took from DA2's abysmal after-launch sales as possible.
4. There will forever be the gigantic, mindless horde of thirty-second attention span kiddies that think twitching in CoD and comparing the number of gold stars next to a weapon while white-knuckling a console controller is the absolute pinnacle of gaming.

#3 will be accomplished entirely due to #1 and #4, which will put to rest the remainder of #2.

Ask players that loved DA:O if they still have DA2 installed. Upwards of 95% won't. And the only reason that 5% will still have it because there's people that fall into groups 1 and 4 from above living in the same house.

This is pretty much my opinion on this whole matter.