Amen to that!

Developers know they can release a buggy mess for consumption and that people will buy it up just the same as if they had waited an extra 6 months to really fine tune everything. Getting this to change will more than likely require one of the following:

1) Massive social change in attitude concerning what an "acceptable" finished product is. (Highly unlikely)
2) Developers realizing that they're promoting bad game development practices and stopping it themselves. (Highly unlikely)
3) Enough developers screw over enough people and a smart developer decides to capitalize on gamers desperation for a polished/finished product. (Doubtful)

The DLC generation has killed any notion of what a "complete at release" game should be. Everyone expects games to be released prematurely and then to be patched/fixed/completed after they've already bought it. MOST gamers are willing to pay EXTRA for these things. Until these things change, gaming will only get worse and worse.

Frankly, if they couldn't develop a bug-free game of this scale, then they should have reduced the scale. There are obviously a lot of people on here willing to go to the mattresses for Bethesda, but money speaks louder than fans. I've never purchased a Bethesda game before, and after my own frustrations with the bugs in this game, I probably never will again.

... what?

When people make mistakes they deserve criticism. Just because you've done some things well does not mean you are allowed to screw up other things and have those mistakes go ignored. I'm not saying Skyrim is a bad game, I love the game but stop being a ignorant really devoted fan.

Remember back in the day when you used to pay full retail price of maybe $40 for a game with horrible resolution and maybe 3-4 hours of horrificly simplistic and redundant gameplay. Now we've got games with beautiful artistic landscapes in massive open worlds with branching gameplay that last for 100's of hours, and they cost about $60. Gaming really is going down the crapper. At this rate who knows what kind of horrible things are going to happen in the future.

Do you come from Planet Naive? Was the buggy as hell FNV fixed? They have your money, job done

I know what regression testing is and it doesn't always find everything.

What pissy little applications do you work on that come out flawless with every update?

Nice sarcasm chief.

FF3 was nowhere near "3-4 hours of horrificly simplistic and redundant gameplay". I'd venture to say it's the first game I ever invested more than 100 hours into.

I don't get your argument... you're basically saying that games look better now and that's reason enough for us to just shut up and deal with it? Your "3-4 hour" argument isn't backed up by anything... so I'll just go ahead and ignore that. You are aware that there are PLENTY of modern games that release with a measly 3-4 hours worth of campaign and the rest of gameplay is made up of half-baked multiplayer options?

Graphics aren't everything.

I was an avid nintendo player back in the day and those games are a mere fraction of what any game is now for roughly the same price. The production value, length and breadth of gaming has gone through the roof. Thanks for adding that we also have multi-player games with dedicated FREE servers. That's immense. We get so much more for our gaming dollar now it's not even funny.

Developers should work hard to make their games as functional as possible, but comparing what we have now to the "good old days" is probably the WORST way to make that point.

Really? That's somewhat surprising considering you thought it was beta testing an hour ago. Regardless, properly coded regression tests will find everything they're supposed to. However if they're not written and you don't rigorously adhere to an exhaustive accepting testing process then you are not managing the risk of regression and are probably going to release an update riddled with bugs.





Obviously, you're as classy as you are informed.

There's good and bad from both generations of gaming. No need to try and prove that yours is better than mine. I didn't do that in my original post, yet you've cornered me and made it seem like that was my intent all along.

I hate forums.

Bethesda definitely does not deserve to be slammed for an awesome game like Skyrim. It's not reality and it's not fair. There's been way too much overreaction to every little thing. If people couldn't handle some bugs that go along with such a huge game right at release, they should have waited for a few months and some patching. What a downer...my game is awesome and I know any problems will be fixed.

You like what you like; I'm not insulting your choice of gaming but it is empirical fact that we have a lot more for our money now.