Do you people know what personal preferences are?
Skyrim is not better than Morrowind.
Morrowind is not better than Skyrim.
You might prefer one, and someone else might prefer the other. That doesn′t mean that one is wrong and the other is right.
Skyrim is not bad because it features something you don′t like, or doesn′t feature something you like.
A game is not bad because you don′t like it.
If a game is bad for you, you don′t gain anything by posting it. Instead, don′t play it, if it isn′t fun for you.
Don′t say that people with other preferences than yours are wrong.
If you enjoy the game and find a flaw, provide constructive criticism in order to improve it, instead of bashing the developers.
Don′t try to convince people whether something about Skyrim is good or bad if they think otherwise.
Don′t rant or whine or rage or argue about other people liking other things in a game than you do.

And suddenly, we have a nice board.

But whining about whining never goes out of style.

Crom will laugh at you from his mountain!!!!

You are saying people don't gain anything (individually or collectively) by documenting bugs and informing others (including Bethesda) of the issues they find in game on this forum?

If you think Skyrim (or most anything, really) should be ALL or NOTHING you're an idiot. People purchased software and have a right to voice legitimate complaints about bugs.

.....what you and so many people today and yesterday and the day before that seem to not realize is that this has become an un ending cycle of complaint thread vs quit whining thread.......

So, why don′t we just stop whining at all and solve both problems at once?

If I die, I have to go before him, and he will ask me, "What is the riddle of steel?" If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me. That's Crom, strong on his mountain!

Why would I stop voicing my concerns about the major flaws in the game?

That's like if you stepped in sh!t, and somehow never noticed it, and everyone around you never told you because they were afraid you would realize that you stepped in sh!t. You should forever have sh!t on your shoes.

I love TES. That's why I'm trying to clean up the sh!t by telling bethesda that they got sh!t on their shoes.

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You realize you're contradicting yourself?

You realize you're only exacerbating the issue right?

lol, made me laugh!

its like they werent here for all the other threads ....which is understandable but still after all these threads on the subject i wouldnt even bother

God i hate when that happens

ok gotta admit im curios whos crom? and why do i feel fear

Let me guess. Somebody stole your sweet roll?
(TES equivalent to crymoar )

Dont bother trying to try getting people to stop whining. Its just too damn fashionable to do so these days. I personally would be embarassed to whine more than my wife does and forsake my real man lumberjack appeal and toughness, but then others value their masculinity less than me. Trying to rationalize with these sad sacks is also equally pointless, just let them cry, its the no child left behind generation.

Do yourself a favor and watch Conan the Barbarian (the original or course). One of my childhood classic movies, it's good for a laugh at the very least

That's Arnie in my avatar from the very same movie.

ah thanks for the suggestion

Old God who was dethroned and thrown into a dungeon where he now gets tortured by car manufacturers which make theirs cars more shiny with his blood.

may sheogorath strike you down, these are by far the most annoying (and aganst the rules) threads ever

I think you're a little confused on the differences between the words 'preference' and 'complaint'.

I have bought, played and completed every Elder Scrolls game that has come out, except for Redguard. Except for Arena (the very *first* one), all have been bug-ridden. On the other hand, just about every game that comes out nowadays is also bug-ridden. What distinguishes Bethesda in that massive crowd is that it released the first game that I can remember that was so bug-ridden that it wasn't playable until after the first one or two patches: Daggerfall. That game started what I refer to (in my mind, of course) as the Age of User Testing - an age, I might add, that is continuing still.

I love Skyrim, just like I loved every other game in the Elder Scrolls series. But instead of worrying more about releasing the software in time for Christmas, more time should have been put into testing the game. If that one thing had occurred, then there would not have been nearly the number of *complaints* about the game. Your idea of "..., don't play it, if it isn't fun for you" doesn't work after someone has shelled out $59.95 for a program that, after two patches, still hasn't fixed major storyline- or quest-related bugs. It is irritating. And should have been unnecessary. All that was required is for more pre-release bug finding. Then all this *complaining* would not have happened. I'll be happy to admit backwards-flying dragons are not a major problem, as long as they function correctly otherwise and don't hinder the flow of the game. And before you say that the game 'is not bad because you don't like it,' you should observe the reason for the dislike, not the method in which it was represented.

This is an RPG, a genre where one of the major features are the finding, acceptance and completion of quests. That is a 'feature' of these types of game. Whether or not you see it as valid, I have a requisite that all features of this type, which are of major importance to not only the playing of the game but it's completion, work. Several of the quests have been bugged since the release of the program. After two patches, I still can't complete some of them. That upsets me, in the same way as it would a person who just purchased a brand-new, high-end automobile only to find out that the gas pedal didn't work. Quests are important 'features' that should not have been ignored in even the first patch.

I have other complaints, too. Most, like the one above, have already been posted in these forums. So I will not attempt to exhaust the list in this post. But the validity of *all* those complaints is sound, even if the method of wording those complaints is sometimes unnecessarily hostile and/or vulgar. If you were to *complain* about those types of complaints, then I would understand that. But to generalize like you've done here is most assuredly faulty... buggy, if you will.

Im whining about whining about whining.

Its hardly whining though when we dislike parts of the game and criticize it. If you want a forum filled with happiness and butterflies go elsewhere. Negative opinions should be expressed just as positive ones.