27th of Rain's Hand, 4E 187

Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:17 am

I just found something that I haven't seen on the forums, which is ridiculous, considering it may DIRECTLY refer to the hero of Oblivion. I will transcribe here for you exactly, verbatim, the last entry in volume 1 of Cicero's journal. Be aware, this may be a huge SPOILER ALERT for many players;

27th of Rain's Hand, 4E 187
Completed the Arena contract. I ultimately decided to pose as a starstruck fan, and immediately got into the Grand Champion's good graces. While escorting the arrogant fool through the Great Forest, I slashed his throat and left the corpse for the bears.

Now, given the date of this journal entry, it is ENTIRELY possible that Cicero, the insane jester in the Dark Brotherhood, killed YOU, the Arena Grand Champion and Hero of The Oblivion Crisis. Discuss.
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cosmo valerga
 
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 1:53 pm

No. It isn't.

That's close to 200 years after the events of Oblivion. Most of the races don't live that long with the exception of some Mer, I believe.

Not to mention that it's a well known fact that the Hero becomes...

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Sheogorath, as he mentions somethings in passing that indicate he was there when Martin changed into the dragon, was part of the DB, and was there for the intro into Shivering Isle (butterflies).
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 2:13 am

The [censored] Adoring Fan??

That's the first conclusion I came to.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 9:43 pm

It's an allusion to the Adoring Fan, but it's not THE Adoring Fan. As was stated before I'm almost positive Sheogorath is the CoC.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 11:25 pm

Sheogorath is the same Sheogorath from Oblivion - proving that the whole expansion was one huge mind-trip designed to make the most powerful hero of his time believe he had become a god.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 1:25 pm

OK, 1. the Adoring Fan was a bosmer, Cicero is imperial. 2. At the end of Shivering Isles you become Sheogorath.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 1:00 pm

Sheogorath is the same Sheogorath from Oblivion - proving that the whole expansion was one huge mind-trip designed to make the most powerful hero of his time believe he had become a god.

Agreed. He succeeded in driving the CoC mad.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 7:36 pm

First- perhaps YOU became Sheograth, but I did not. I never played the Shivering Isles expansion, despite owning it, and this have never become Sheograth.

Second- the adoring fan may have appeared to be a Bosmer, but this would not exactly be the first time that illusory magic has been used to change someone's appearance (look up Jagar Tharn). This may be a big stretch to some, but I don't think it's impossible, given that the magic school of illusion is also employed by many thieves and assassins.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 12:17 pm

Agreed. He succeeded in driving the CoC mad.

Also... THIS. You don't actually BECOME Sheograth. Martin also died; he did not in fact BECOME Akatosh, as some people have tried to say.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 8:56 pm

Sheogorath is the same Sheogorath from Oblivion - proving that the whole expansion was one huge mind-trip designed to make the most powerful hero of his time believe he had become a god.

Uhm no. He alludes to the fact that he was there when Martin sacrificed himself. He also talks about the Shivering Isles butterflies as seen from the prospective of the CoC. The CoC grew into his role of Sheogorath. I wish they had included Jyggylag in Skyrim so people would stop this.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 3:58 am

Uhm no. He alludes to the fact that he was there when Martin sacrificed himself. He also talks about the Shivering Isles butterflies as seen from the prospective of the CoC. The CoC grew into his role of Sheogorath. I wish they had included Jyggylag in Skyrim so people would stop this.

But Sheogorath is a Daedric Prince - he can be pretty much everywhere.
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:40 am

Pretty sure it's a reference to the adoring fan. If it's even talking about out character.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 10:42 pm

First- perhaps YOU became Sheograth, but I did not. I never played the Shivering Isles expansion, despite owning it, and this have never become Sheograth.

Based on that logic, all the events surrounding the Champion of Cyrodiil "never happened" for people that never played Oblivion. I think it makes sense the CoC is now Sheograth.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 9:51 pm

Based on that logic, all the events surrounding the Champion of Cyrodiil "never happened" for people that never played Oblivion. I think it makes sense the CoC is now Sheograth.

We're going to go ahead and assume that only people who have at least played stock Oblivion count in this debate, otherwise there would be no lore to debate at all. Let's just say, for instance, a player's character was decidedly GOOD, having nothing to do with the realm of evil in any way. The player would therefore never finish the Shivering Isles, and never become Sheograth.

I usually make my favorite run-throughs with a Dunmer, walking on the side of good and all that. I did not complete Shivering Isles, as it would have been completely out of character. So I never became Sheograth. Summer can live for millenia, so assuming I did not die of some disease, or a mass cliff racer attack upon my chance return to Morrowind, I would still be alive in 4E 187.

In my personal role-play, Cicero could very well have killed me in the Great Forest.

But, if you personally adhere to the Shivering Isles included lore, all the more power to you. =)
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Post » Tue May 29, 2012 1:22 am

We're going to go ahead and assume that only people who have at least played stock Oblivion count in this debate, otherwise there would be no lore to debate at all. Let's just say, for instance, a player's character was decidedly GOOD, having nothing to do with the realm of evil in any way. The player would therefore never finish the Shivering Isles, and never become Sheograth.

I usually make my favorite run-throughs with a Dunmer, walking on the side of good and all that. I did not complete Shivering Isles, as it would have been completely out of character. So I never became Sheograth. Summer can live for millenia, so assuming I did not die of some disease, or a mass cliff racer attack upon my chance return to Morrowind, I would still be alive in 4E 187.

In my personal role-play, Cicero could very well have killed me in the Great Forest.

But, if you personally adhere to the Shivering Isles included lore, all the more power to you. =)

From http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Sheogorath and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Sheogorath
In dialogue, Sheogorath mentions that he was present for the entirety of the Oblivion Crisis, and makes reference to Martin, stating that he is possibly the "best" of the Septims. He follows this by rattling off a list of seemingly unrelated objects: butterflies, a Fox, a severed head, and cheese. These likely reference the beginning of Shivering Isles, the Gray Fox of the Cyrodiil Thieves Guild and the severed head of Mathieu Bellamont's mother. The cheese may be in reference to a line in Shivering Isles ("This Calls for a celebration! Cheese for everyone!") or it could be in reference to his shrine quest involving placing cheese to attract rats.
These statements, coupled with his claim that Sheogorath is a title "passed down from me to me", all suggest he is the Champion of Cyrodiil.

Sheogorath also has virtually an identical appearance to the default player character model in Oblivion. Same hair, same facial structure.

I really think it's intended that it's possible all the events of Shivering Isles happened and the CoC is now Sheogorath. It's especially telling that Sheogorath says he was "present for the Oblivion Crisis" and talks of his interaction with Martin Septim, where as the Sheogorath of Oblivion really played no part except for Shivering Isles.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 11:59 am

I think it was just a reference to the Adoring Fan and not the CoC.

And yes the CoC is Sheogorath, or at least that's what is heavily hinted at. The people arguing that the CoC did not become Sheogorath because they never completed the quest have no basis for their argument. That's like me saying I never did the Main Quest of Oblivion so the Oblivion Crisis never happened despite the fact that it is referenced in game. Lore is lore
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 1:19 pm

First- perhaps YOU became Sheograth, but I did not. I never played the Shivering Isles expansion, despite owning it, and this have never become Sheograth.

Second- the adoring fan may have appeared to be a Bosmer, but this would not exactly be the first time that illusory magic has been used to change someone's appearance (look up Jagar Tharn). This may be a big stretch to some, but I don't think it's impossible, given that the magic school of illusion is also employed by many thieves and assassins.
YOU may not have become Sheogorath but the CoC in LORE did.
He done everything you could do in Oblivion.
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Post » Mon May 28, 2012 11:56 am

We're going to go ahead and assume that only people who have at least played stock Oblivion count in this debate, otherwise there would be no lore to debate at all. Let's just say, for instance, a player's character was decidedly GOOD, having nothing to do with the realm of evil in any way. The player would therefore never finish the Shivering Isles, and never become Sheograth.

I usually make my favorite run-throughs with a Dunmer, walking on the side of good and all that. I did not complete Shivering Isles, as it would have been completely out of character. So I never became Sheograth. Summer can live for millenia, so assuming I did not die of some disease, or a mass cliff racer attack upon my chance return to Morrowind, I would still be alive in 4E 187.

In my personal role-play, Cicero could very well have killed me in the Great Forest.

But, if you personally adhere to the Shivering Isles included lore, all the more power to you. =)

And that's why they don't specify anything. They just "hinted the possibility" of the CoC being Sheo. If your character wasn't Sheo, Sheo still being Sheo, if your character turned into Sheo, Sheo and CoC are the same person.

But, back to the OP, no... It's very improbable, more of a Easter Egg of the Adoring Fan.
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