I finally got around to getting Illusion to 100 to start the Illusion Ritual Spell quest in to buy Master level Illusion spells. So I completed that and bought Harmony. Even with perks like Kindred Mage, Animage and Hypnotic Gaze, the spell only works on people and animals up to lvl 33. Since I'm already lvl 36 and the mobs scale with me, does it mean that the spell is useless?

I think if you dual cast it the level threshold is much higher?

Scaling does not work that way. It does not mean that every single enemy is precisely your level. Many enemies will stop at like 30 and 40.

But you're unlikely to be able to use this spell against boss targets.

Drink potions of fortify illusion and dual cast it.

Animage/Kindred Mage doesn't display a change in the written number on the spell information because it is conditional to either animals, or humans whereas the tooltip displays the spells basic level (modified by hypnotic gaze). In reality the animage/kindred mage perks raise spell effective level by 50%. You'll effect mobs up to level 54 in theory - and I read somewhere mobs do not scale beyond level 50. I'm level 46 and have no problem affecting everything i meet with my illusion rituals


You can't dual cast ritual spells, you have to cast them with both hands anyway

Thanks, I'm relieved to know that Harmony will be of use at high levels. However, my Magicka is too low to cast it for now. Even with the Nightingale Hood, Harmony's spell cost is still too high and I'm not too keen on raising Enchanting for this character. I guess I'll rely on my usual routine of casting Invisibility and rolling away to get out of hairy situations.

The only benefits of Harmony is that it has a HUGE radius and will get targets through walls. In all other aspects, calm and pacify are better.

I had wondered about that, since dual casting stacks another layer of modifiers onto it, that could ultimately result in a HIGHER effective spell level. But the radius on harmony/mayhem/rout/rally - wow... just... wow xDCan easily end up crippling half a dungeon with a single spellcast

So, if I take the Dual Casting Perk and dual cast Pacify, while already having Hypnotic Gaze, Animage and Kindred Mage, will I be able to affect lvl 50 humans and animals?

In theory, on paper. I havn't test it, I havn't taken dual casting on account of not needing it in the end game due to the rituals being two handed. in theory a basic spell with level 16 strength could effect hrm...

16 x 1.5 x 1.5 x 2 = 72?


....sounds impossibly high. I need test this xD

Every master spell is useless... They make you stop FOREVER!
It is the worst idea ever made by Beth..

Just use dragonhide, the alteration master level spell. it'll stop a dragon's bite...

...but dragonhide takes forever to cast so what do you cast to protect you while casting that? xD