I have become addicted to framerate

Post » Thu May 31, 2012 3:19 pm

Running on a 17" monitor, core i5 3.3GHz, GTX 550Ti, 4 GB memory, Windows 7. Skyrim settings around medium. Not using High Res DLC.

I've had it with lower frame rates.

I'VE HAD IT!

Mind you, my performance is acceptable in most places. Sometimes I visit a ruin with a lot of lights and I get some mouse lag or lose a few FPS. But mostly, I can't complain too much. I'm also running a smattering of graphics mods, some which improve frame-rate, some which improve quality, essentially cancelling each other out, but I'm happy for the most part. FPS is capped at 55 via nvidiaInspector.

Well, I tried lowering the resolution just for fun. I've tried many different resolutions, some widescreen too. I settled for 1024 x 768, and wow, what a difference it made! Upped the cap to 70, just 5 shy of my monitor's refresh rate. As I'm walking, the ground just seems to zip by in this ultra-smooth, ultra-silky, almost life-like feel. It's so hard to describe. It's like a flag snapping in the wind. It's like looking outside the car at the highway and watching it scroll by so fast. It's like a film-reel, smoother than life, almost. I've played around with capping as well and found that even at a cap of 60, it's not as smooth. Clearly the human eye can see much higher frame rates than we've been lead to believe.

I looked in a certain direction in the plains outside Whiterun and to my horror, the framerate dropped into the high 50s. I couldn't have it. Even though it was just this one spot, I couldn't tolerate it. Out of the game I went, into the setup menu, and back I was, playing Skyrim at 800 x 600! The direction I was looking must've been a really bad spot because I was getting 65-66 even at that lowest resolution, but it would have to do. I won't lower the texture quality. That's going too far.

I've become addicted to high framerates, you see. I'm sick. And the more I play at these resolutions, the more addicted to it I'm going to become. But I'm also getting headaches from playing this way. In fullscreen, the lower resolutions look stretched and horrible, especially when looking in the distance. Everything is fuzzy. Windowed, it all looks good again, of course, but the screen is so small I have to strain my eyes to see it. I went back to 1280 x 1024 and capped my fps, but having experienced those high framerates, I just couldn't stand it.

I am consciously choosing an ugly, low resolution game in favor of a prettier native resolution because I'm addicted to the speed I get from it.

Tell me your thoughts about beauty versus high framerates. Super computer people need not reply because we already know you're getting the best of both worlds.... And we hate you for it. :wink: But seriously, is there anyone out there---anyone at all---who has given up the fight of trying to balance quality and high framerates, who has discovered the wicked framerates and ultra-smooth gameplay you can get by lowering your resolution, and has decided that's the ticket, that's the way to play? And if you're out there, have you also experienced ice-pick-in-your-temples style migraines from playing this way? Conversely, has anyone tried the lower resolutions, found that it was too painful on the eyes (either aesthetically or physically!), and gone back to higher rez, deciding to just "deal with it" when it comes to lower framerates?

I know some people think 40 and 50 is plenty high. And it is. I'd been playing that way ever since the first SkyBoost was released. But honestly, if you experience Skyrim at a maxed out, native refresh rate of 75 or close to it (if your monitor supports it), you can really tell a difference. It's like...it's like untouched virgin spring water. It's enough to make me play on 800 x 600 for the first time since freaking Age of Empires. Please, Elder Scrolls community, tell me if I'm really sick in the head or if there are others who purposefully play beneath their hardware's ability because they love the performance.
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 4:51 pm

Maybe your screen resolution is stretching the picture and that is giving you headaches. and possible framerate and fuzzy issues. Its just a thought. It may be time to upgrade your monitor, may I recommend a 21-23" HD 1080P!
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 7:41 pm

The resolution you state for a 17" seems a little high? my native resolution on a 19" is 1440X900. Maybe your screen resolution is stretching the picture and that is giving you headaches. and possible framerate and fuzzy issues. Its just a thought. It may be time to upgrade your monitor, may I recommend a 21-23" HD 1080P!

I did buy a larger monitor a month or two ago but was getting really low FPS. There's a thread about that somewhere here discussing my woes.

I'm not sure what you mean, though. The native resolution for this monitor is 1280 x 1024, at least according to Windows and my Nvidia software. Since writing this post though I tried again at 1280 x 1024 and capped it at 50 FPS. I may be able to live with it, but there's something so comforting about knowing that no matter how many things are going on screen, no matter how many lights or monsters, you'll still get high 60s. To me, in addition to the things I said above, low resolution means high stability. Stability of framerate, stability of mouse smoothness.

When I went shopping for a new monitor before BTW I was told most monitors nowadays have a maximum 60 refresh rate. It seems like a step backwards to me???
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 7:44 pm

Fifty fps is bad? Most games are between 30 and 60 fps. What's Skyrim supposed to be at?
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Post » Thu May 31, 2012 2:16 pm

Is it possible you are sacrificing certain features that you don't really need to sacrifice for higher frame rate?

I tried tweaking a lot of different settings and most have very little or no impact whatsoever. The only settings that significantly impacted my framerate was shadow detail and anti aliasing; using FXAA instead looks great and the frame rate is still comparable to no anti aliasing at all.

I honestly can't really tell the difference between, say 40fps vs. 50 or 60fps. However, I can certainly tell the difference between 0 AF and max AF, or 1920x1080 vs 1600x900. The high res texture pack did not reduce my frame rate, nor did bumping up the Anisotropic Filtering, or most of the other settings.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:07 am

Interesting post MarkQuinn.

I'd like to chime in with a few points on FPS and Skyrim.

Low Frames Seem Worse In Skyrim Than Other Games and Frames Are Less Stable In Skyrim Than Other Games
This is very strange, and may sound unbelieveable to those who haven't experienced it, but, 40 frames in Skyrim is a lot less smooth than 40 frames in Battlefield 3. I find in Skyrim, if you drop below 55 frames, it becomes very noticeable, and go below 48 frames and it becomes like what most games are when you go under the 30 mark: the screen becomes jerky as you move and mouse movements aren't smooth anymore. Recently I upgraded to a new graphics card and all my games are running smoothly now, but prior to that I was using a Radeon 5870. Skyrim was jumping around all over the place with my old card, frames from 60 to 24 depending on where I was, Battlefield 3 was running a dead smooth 32 frames, very, very rarely shifting from the 32. Trackmania 2 was running at around 45, moving 3 or 4 either way quite often. The thing is, I didn't even realise BF3 was running at around the 30 mark it was totally playable and smooth, not until I turned on Fraps did I realise. Skyrim on the other hand I really noticed even when it was at around 53 or 54 frames.

Frames and The Human Eye
You say that we can see more frames than we have been led to believe. What we have been led to believe (30 frames... then 60 frames etc) is bull****. It is based on the fact that TV and film run at low frames. This is because of a phenomenom I don't understand but it has something to do with the fact that they are a predetermined sequence of events and a video game is not. The rumours are wrong, the human eye can see 100s of frames.

Physics Bugs Occur In Skyrim AT High FPS
At some of the frames you are playing at you will experience physics related bugs. They are known to kick in at anything above 60 frames, but it becomes more noticeable at 80 frames, unless this was fixed in a patch (no idea haven't been following the issue, v-sync keeps me at max 60 anyway).

Windowed vs Stretched
In answer to your queries about playing at low res, I play many old game which can't go to very high resolutions. My preference is to play them in a window rather than have them pixilate too badly, which makes them look very horrible.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:51 am

i know exactly what your saying skyrim hates anything lower than your refresh rate, i have to play at 47 fps, and seeing it at 60 fps kills me cuz as you say its so smooth, i hate when you see it looking much better but have to settle for something worse, its better to just not ever see it, if you know what i mean, but yeah the 64 hz stutter bug forces me to use the ifpsclamp command and a fps limiter so it never goes over or under, its ok, playable, but 60 fps is just so smooth, other games are fine at lower fps, batman arkham city is smooth at 30, but not skyrim
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