How many of Skyrims citys were taken in the Great war? None.
How many of Skyrims civilians were killed just for being Nords? None.
How many Nords were forced into the Legion? None.

To say the Empire does not care about Skyrim is False. The Stormcloaks caused most of Skyrims current Problems, Including the Thalmor and the Forsworn.

None of the things you listed above disproves my statement that the Empire does not care for Skyrim. It's true that the soldiers weren't forced into battle. They willingly joined, including soldiers such as Ulfric and Legate Rikke, etc. They fought hard, and many were killed and tortured. And then the war ended, and their way of live was outlawed. Because the Empire really cares about them and their service.

The Thalmor captures Skyrim's citizens and tortures them, and the Empire does nothing and even sanctions it. The empire makes sure that a young, impressionable high king is chosen and then sends lots of advisers to steer him towards what is best for Cyrodiil. When he dies, they put his young wife in power and do the same thing. I am very interested to hear your theory on how the Stormcloaks went back in time and made the Thalmor a problem for Skyrim, though. As for the Forsworn, they were a problem before the Stormcloaks existed.

I supported the Empire at first, I joined them on my first character, I hated Ulfric, blah blah blah. But after playing through the game and seeing all of the evidence, this is the conclusion I have come to. If you want to come up with some evidence that I haven't seen that the Empire truly cares for Skyrim and its people, go for it, I'd be glad to be proven wrong. But at almost 300 hours of playtime, it's very scarce.

The Banning of Talos? Talos the Founder of the Current Empire, The Nord who killed Bretons and his Kinsman with his Cyrodilic army at Sance tor and the Most revered of the Nine divines?
To say that the Nords way of life was outlawed is not the whole story. The Empires way of life was outlawed, But not enforced. That his until Ulfric and his "Stormcloaks" started to kick up a fuss and The Empire as well as the Thalmor had to get involved. Because of Ulfric, Nords are now being imprisoned by the Thalmor and the Empire cannot act unless They want to cause the Great war two, Which they don't, Not because it will Devestate Cyrodil(again) or Skyrim or even Hammerfell, But because it will Devestate the Empire and Indeed all of Tamriel. Countless unecessary lives will be lost. But the stormcloaks don't care about everyone else, They care about themselves and Skyrim alone. The rest of Tamriel can burn by the Thalmor for all they care.

Why would he be executed for stealing? Whenever a player character is caught stealing, they just have to pay a fine, and have any stolen goods in their possession confiscated.

The player character is never sentenced to death even if he put an entire city to the sword, and the fine for murder is less than a good strong potion. I'd call it player lenience than canon

While I was in Oblivion I supported the Empire, in this game, they can go to well Oblivion and rot.


*They accused me of a crime, no trial, just wanted to lop my head off. Then later General Tullus tells me, "Oh it was probably just a misunderstanding." Um, wanting me dead is not a misunderstanding a**hole.


*The Emperor is a moron. He refused to sign the Treaty before the Thalmor invaded the Imperial City. Then he ran off like a scared cat, then came back and then signed the same terms he rejected before hand.


*Giving up Talos. He founded the Empire and was the first Emperor. He threw not the religious beliefs away but the founding of the Empire away-history. Titus Mede would not be on the throne if it was not for Talos.


*Millions of Nords helped fight in the war and a lot lost their lives. They fought believing Talos was with them, they fought to preserve their beliefs, traditions, home; and and families. Only to have it stripped away from them because the Emperor is a coward. It like a slap in the face.


*The Blades have become ruthless savages bent on revenge more then logic.


*The Emperor is more worried about preserving Skyrim as apart of the Empire then worried about trying to pull a double cross on the Thalmor. OK, you signed the treaty and just F'ed you and your kingdom. Fix it by going behind the Thalmor's back and making em eat it.


At least the Redguards and Nords have enough backbone to stand up and say enough is enough.

D'jinn does not pick sides in these matters. She cares mainly for what benefits her, be that working for the Imperials or for the Stormcloaks. However, D'jinn does not like that her head was almost chopped off for no good reason, or that the worship of Talos was outlawed. D'jinn asks, why not allow others to exercise their faith as they please? D'jinn feels that both sides are right in their own ways, and wrong in their own ways. But these things are not for D'jinn to decide. She simply focuses on her magic in the college. No politics there.

That's not what the Thalmor embassador says. She complains that the war is impeding thalmor executors work of finding (,torturing and executing) Talos Worshipers. I wouldn't say that she is suspicious of supporting stormcloacks.

What I meant was the Thalmor would not even be in Skyrim if it were not for the Rebels.

The thalmor wouldn't be in any provinces if it were not for the WGC.

The Thalmor would be in Every province were it not for the Empire.

The Thalmor already are in every province because the Empire agreed to the WGC.

soo... the innocent man was a thieve.

tullius didn't even know who you are. since you was there, he was sure that you belong to the stormcloaks. remember? only this female officer wanted you dead.

and this torturing guy was obviously a little bit sick.

stormcloaks don't torture and execute, because they are too busy calling every non-nord milkdrinker. they kill first and ask questions second. not better at all.

Yes, after he sent them to be executed. I'd attack him too if I were in their shoes. You, on the other hand, were completely innocent and about to be executed merely for convenience on their part.

Assuming he would have done it again and simply executing him to save time doesn't sound very "just" to me. And the Empire did mean to kill you. You weren't with the leader of the rebellion when you were caught. You were simply rounded up by the same people who ambushed the rebels. Wrong place at the wrong time? Hardly. It'd be like the US grouping illegal immigrants with terrorists and executing them all at once.

You weren't caught with them. If you were, they wouldn't have had to explain that they were ambushed -- you already would have known.

Skyrim belongs to the Nords. If they want to fight the Thalmor on their own, why not let them? Because the Empire needs them? Yeah, that's not a justification for anything. The Empire stripped the Nords of their religious freedom. They ignored their beliefs and customs, likely kill many other innocents for the sake of convenience, and wish to control the High King as though he were a puppet. They're clearly in the wrong, despite their intentions. Would you justify America taking control of, say, Japan in order to defeat China? Or vice versa?

The Empire put you on that wagon with the leader of the rebellion. They knew you had nothing to do with it, and the guy in the beginning thinks you're returning to Skyrim or just another foreigner. There isn't a single accusation of you being part of the rebellion. Not one, and yet you were to be executed with them.

If Skyrim belongs to the Nords, tell me whats going to happen to the other races that call Skyrim home? Kick them out or do the same thing the Thalmor did with its non-Altmer citizens which is kill them. As others have said Talos is the Imperial's god as well and the Nords ain't the only ones suffering due to the WGC. Killing innocents? When and where did the Legion slaughter innocents? The only one who is truly innocent in the beginning is you(which might change later in game), the rest deserved to be on the chopping block to ensure a quick end to the war.

Where does it say the Thalmor killed all their non-Altmer citizens? - And define "their citizens". The thalmor is the ruling body of the Aldmeri Dominion. The Aldmeri dominion makes up Summerset isle (Altmer), valenwood (Bosmer) and former Elsweyr (Khajiit), given valenwood and Elsweyr are still full of Wood Elves and Khajiit respectively, it's apparent the Thalmor have not killed all the "non high Elf citizens"

It says that the thalmor killed all non altmer citizens in the summerset isles in the book called Rising threat vol. 4

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Rising_Threat,_Vol._IV, I should have specify this was in Summerset Isle at first and the Thalmor killed any citizen without Aldmer blood and of course political dissidents as well.

There are Dunmer refugees living inside Windhelm, which is under the control of Ulfric. And yes, killing innocents. If they were so quick to send you to the chopping block, what makes you think they haven't done the same elsewhere? Like I said earlier, Ulfric challenged High King Torygg to a duel and defeated him. He did not murder him, and yet the person who allowed him to flee Solitude was executed for allowing him to leave. I'd say he was innocent as well.

The torture thing definitely bothers me. Is the Empire guilty of this on its own or by the orders of the Thalmor? Are the Stormcloaks caught doing this? Thalmor and torturers are two kinds of NPCs my character will assassinate at the first realistic opportunity. Otherwise he's pretty goody-goody. In fact when I ran into a torturer at the beginning of the game I immediately killed him and the people with me ignored it and it didn't count as murder.

I haven't seen the Empire or the Stormcloaks torturing anyone, and I played through both questlines. But the fact that the Empire lets the Thalmor capture and torture Skyrim citizens and does nothing about it pisses me off. Not to mention the fact that they have the habit of just executing anyone they come across without any kind of due process. At least Ulfric consistently gives his opponents a choice. He challenges Torygg to a duel, Torygg could have backed out but didn't. He asked Jarl Balgruuf to make a choice, Balgruuf could have sided with him but he didn't (and though Galmar Stone-fist said that Ulfric should kill him, Ulfric didn't want to). Even at the end, in Solitude, he gives Legate Rikke the option to leave because he knows that she is honorable and fight with him in the war, though she would rather fight to the death. And finally, he gives Elisif the option of staying Jarl of Solitude and swearing fealty to him, which she does.

I'm not saying all of these choices are great. It really svcks to have to choose between dying and possibly being forced to abdicate your throne. But at least there's a choice. The Empire doesn't tend to grant that courtesy.

What, he was just being honest.

But seriously, that's just that one guy. The owner of the New Ginis Corner Club has stated that he has tried to appeal to Ulfric personally, but his holiness could not be bothered. Do you hear or see any Dunmer in Windhelm doing anything but trying to make an honest living? No. One bigoted Dunmer doesn't justify hundreds of bigoted Nords. I can only think of one Nordic Dunmer sympathizer, but even he is dismissed by Ulfric.