After updating to 1.6 Beta i quickly discovered that my controls were reset to default.
Any saved games where the character was in 'sneak' mode are unable to toggle out of sneak mode even after remapping. Saved characters not saved in sneak mode seem uneffected and are able to toggle.
Kinda p.o.'ed about it since my highest level stealth characters may have to completely start over....which is highly demotivating to say the least.

Umm, you do know that this a beta version, not the final release?

Indeed. Also, a good rule of thumb: create a separate save for testing with the beta. Never save over a pre-beta patch game, since you never know what's going to go haywire. Do you not have a save you can roll back to for those characters?

Also also: you can opt back out of the beta. Try rolling back to 1.5 and see if you can un-stick your characters that way.

I've pretty much accepted my saves as borked. The only saves i have to roll back to are level 1 after character creation before execution intro (because i play 10 different characters @ a time) - The only reasons i posted it here are (1) it may save some other poor schlub from ruining their saves by having them make sure their character is not sneaking before installing 1.6 & (2) so the devs can fix it before rolling out of beta & having a real backlash on their hands if they allow it to slip through.

1. You should always back up your saves before trying a "beta" release. This is explicitly stated in the post that describes what is in the beta.
2. The beta is just that - a pre-release version of the game that may have significant issues still to be worked out. Any adverse effects suffered by your failure to understand this are your own responsibility. The beta is not an opportunity to see and play the update before it is released - it is meant to be tested and evaluated so that any issues can be fixed, or at the very least reported, prior to release.
3. This should be in the beta forum. The issue you have outlined regarding sneak status sounds like a valid issue that should be reported. Reporting it here in the PC forum will not get it the exposure it needs in order to be addressed prior to release.

I'm just hoping the 1.6 doesn't release another set of new issues that may or may not be fixed (if it's the last patch fix).

There's no indication that 1.6 will be the last patch. It may be the last one for a while, but I'd expect a few more patches to follow after Dawnguard comes out. DLC means new bugs, yanno.

As for patch issues...well, there's a reason Beth does public beta tests now. Otherwise, we get surprise backwards flying dragons. And no one wants that.

1. Steam opt in doesn't give opportunities to read anything before it downloads....& i don't frequent the forum daily as i somewhat have a life.
2. I know what a beta is and already accepted responsibilty in my previous post.....your failure to understand this seems to adversely effect you by lecturing needlessly.
3. I AM reporting it.....then move it to the beta forum if you wish.....there is no link from the main forum page for me to access it and as i said i don't frequent daily to instictively know it's url.

The post Kastagir's referring to is on the Bethblog as well as here on the forums. To be frank, life or no, I'd hope you'd at least read the changelog before diving headlong into a beta so you know what you're getting into. As others have pointed out, it's a beta for a reason.

By the way, have you thought of trying to roll back to 1.5 and see if you can unstick those characters? And because I like lecturing (needlessly or no)...for the love of all the corrupted saves, game-stopping bugs, and everything else that skips merrily hand in hand with a TES game, never ever ever use just one save. Ever. Unless you like tempting fate and/or don't particularly like a character, because...well, then you wind up with situations like this. Might be too late now, but it's something to keep in mind for future reference.


No one who's posted in this thread (so far) is a mod with the ability to move posts...you can ask a mod to move a thread for you, however, by clicking the "report" button on your original post and asking a mod to move the thread to the beta forum.

This.
I have getting on for 2,000!

The quickest way to get a post moved is for the thread opener to send a PM to any moderator that happens to be online at the time. They tend to respond very quickly to simple requests of this type. Apparently, this was successfully done.


Note that when you start Skyrim and try to load a game, all of your saves in the \Skyrim\Saves folder get enumerated. If there are a lot (more than ~20) you will experience pauses and the pauses will continue until they are all enumerated. It's best to archive your older saves in some other folder so this doesn't happen.

Sorry to be cold, but this is your own fault. Make mutlible saves of the character you're playing. TES games are too fickle to be overly safe with save files.

Everyone seems to know what i need except me for some reason....for the 3rd time i've already said it's my fault, however this doesn't excuse bethesda from not catching simple broken essential game elements.


Who says i was asking for help? I never asked for any help in this post...not even once. So maybe take the hint guys & stop trying to help when it's not wanted nor needed. That is all.

So in all this, has anyone else actually confirmed or denied the report?

Its beta software, its going to have potential broken elements in it, you say you know what beta software is, but you post the above tells me you don't yet fully understand. If you really understood then you would have made a secondary install to test from and copy your save games over to the second install so that you would have no chance of screwing anything up.

Thanks for taking one for the team to let us know for the potential to run into this issue. But the thing about that is that most people do the above to avoid running into issues like this, so your saved games might have been screwed up for nothing.

I would only hope that rolling back to 1.5 and loading your saved games on it will save them. If not then chalk this up to a expensive lesson.

I seriously doubt we have seen half of the total official patches this game will be subject to. Its being supported post launch in a major way, a large degree more so than any previous TES title. In this http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/02/20/todd-howard-interview.aspx with Gameinformer Todd Howard states
Which was, if anyone else recalls, a major design consideration and selling point pre-launch. With the decline in AAA title sales, Companies are starting realize that supporting a game post launch is just good business. Not just DLC either... all across the industry there has been a trend in recent game production cycles to place a larger emphasis on patching games post launch. It cultivates loyalty, stabilizes the player base over time, and satisfies the collective itch of the more hardcoe gaming population. These free additions like mounted combat, and the kinect shouts are IMO a way for Bethesda to keep things interesting enough across all platforms, that a smaller percentage of people will trade in their copy of Skyrim. Because classically that makes it less likely for that player to ever play the DLC they intend to produce. That hardcoe gamer base is ever growing, as people have come to expect more than a week of quality playtime from a genuine AAA game. If a company can maintain a large enough player base DLC sales increase. Something that is mutually beneficial to the software developer and the consumer as well. They have an established platform to develop content for, and can generate a higher return on the development of that content, while we get the new conent without having to shell out for another title at full price.

Games have become mainstream to the degree that AAA games are looked to as the benchmark of quality, and http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1376908-16-beta-ruined-saved-games/s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parksassociates.com%2Fblog%2Farticle%2Fparks-pr2011-gamingmc&ei=c_DFT_zjPIm69gSvmOHdBg&usg=AFQjCNESqqgTRv9hkaPXHwrBbjuXkKU88Q&sig2=l--PHcllvI03yX4DbvJ5zQ there's been a 100% increase in the number of people looking over the last two years... Games are changing in how they are supported, and the industry is maturing. There has been tremendous disapproval directed at the COD cash cow method of DLC... Over the course of the last 7 years, companies are starting to get a feel for how best to implement post launch changes, in the way of title updates, and additional content. I expect more in the way of updates, and I dont expect this to be confined to Skyrim either... Gearbox released a massive patch for Borderlands well after the title had reached the Microsoft DLC content gamer-score restriction. They also have announced a tremendous amount of digital bonus content, most of which is essentially free. Admittedly you are required to pre-order the game in order to receive the content at no additional charge, some of which will not even be developed until after the game launches. Companies are increasingly becoming more committed to supporting existing titles and developing content for it, which means there's just greater incentive and likelihood they will fix whatever gets reported through official channels.

What, do something useful? Don't be silly.

Ahem. I just tested this by loading a save made under 1.6, putting my character into sneak mode and saving, then quitting to main menu and loading up the "sneakified" save. I could toggle in and out of sneak just fine. I also sifted back through my older saves until I found a 1.5-era save where I'd saved while in sneak mode. Loaded that and could toggle in and out of sneak mode just fine.

The only thing I can't double-check is that it's being caused by the keymapping getting reset, since I've already reset all my controls back to my usual default. But...from where I'm sitting, it's starting to look like a mod issue.

Yeah, I know

I dug through a bunch of mine too. Lizards love to sneak. None of them had issues with loading, though like you, the interface reset had already taken place and I had already reassigned all my keys.

I'll add that i use a steelseries gaming keyboard & razer deathadder mouse, My keybindings were altered mainly for menus, most gameplay controls were default.
P=quickstats B=quickmap V=shouts G=Journal C=toggle keepmoving F6=quicksave / mouse4 = quickinventory mouse5=quickmagic
The rest i believe were default.