Hey will someone plese help here....I have worked my enchanting to 100 and made the fortify smithing gear....4 pieces @ 25% bonus each....

my smithing skill is @ about 35 with no perks as I have ignored it, but thats beside the point.
I am trying to improve anything and I notice wearing all the smithing pieces makes not 1 single point of difference when improving weapons or armor.

can someone please help or give an explanation? ill bump until then because I put a lot of time and work into this and no results is unsatisfying......

have you upgraded items at the grindstone or workbench?

have you made apparel with fortify smithing?
have you made apparel with fortify enchanting?

Your skills are to low to improve them further. To see the most of it you need to be at max skill and have the ability to make legendary items. Which at 35 skill, not possible.

Could you give us some more details about what you're trying to improve, what's happening when you try, etc? Are the items staying greyed out, or are they smithable, but just giving precisely the same after-improvement numbers? Are they already smithed to some degree?

Well, it doesn't improve the stats of the gear when you craft it, it gives you access to the higher levels of quality when you improve it at the grinding stone and armor bench. If you try to smith without your smithing gear on beside the weapon or armor it should say either superior or excellent, with the gear on it should be flawless or legendary. Below is the smiting chart from UESP.net Here's the link if you'd rather read it there, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Smithing

Item Quality

Using the Grindstone/Workbench allows the refinement of weapon/armor depending on the character's Smithing level. The levels of item qualities are Fine, Superior, Exquisite, Flawless, Epic, and Legendary. The Smithing level required to unlock these qualities depends upon whether the character has the Smithing perk of the item's material.
Quality Skill Required Effect
Without Perk With Perk Armor Other
Fine 14 14 +2 +1
Superior 31 22 +6 +3
Exquisite 65 40 +10 +5
Flawless 100 57 +13 +7
Epic 134 74 +17 +8
Legendary 168 91 +20 +10

For instance, say you have a Smithing level of 45 (with Dwarven Smithing perk), and pieces of Elven and Dwarven equipment you want to improve. With appropriate supplies, you would improve the Dwarven to Exquisite, but the Elven only to Superior.
Values higher than 100 can be attained using "Fortify Smithing" equipment and Smithing potions, thus allowing any item to be made Epic or Legendary. With the appropriate perk, values continue to increase past Legendary at the rate of about +0.2 per skill point for Armor, and +0.1 for other items.

You need to invest in the various armor perks. You won't be able to make or upgrade the various armor types, even with fortify smithing. All that does, is that you can upgrade your KNOWN armor/weapon types.

@ DragoValhar: Good post, I didn't know the specific values. I was wondering though, why I wasn't able to upgrade my Shrouded armor to Legendary, once I leveled my smithing to 100. I had to create some fortify smithing pieces, in order to do so. I thought I would be able to upgrade anything with smithing at lvl 100 and all the perks?

Generally, smithing improvements (at least until legendary) come at discrete points.

For example, with no perks, I can smith a steel dagger to superior when I reach 31 skill in smithing. Now, I can't upgrade the dagger to exquisite (again without the perk) until my smithing skill is at 65. However, if I take a fortify smithing potion (+32% smithing) at smithing skill 53, I can improve it to exquisite. If I were at smithing 52, even with the potion, I can't improve the dagger beyond superior.

Now, with your smithing gear, at 35, you should be able to make exquisite items without any perks.

Actually, the post two above this is incorrect. You can upgrade anything (excluding some unique items). The perks just let you upgrade them with twice the efficiency.

sure thing.....im trying to improve foe example my ebony mace......with none of my fortify smithing gear on i can improve it by 3 points........
then i cancel out equip all 4 pieces so fortify smithing is @ 100%......improving the ebony mace still only gives it 3 points.

After you equip the items, do the fortify smithing effects show on the 'active effects' section of your magic page?

yes they do....HOWEVER.. it is peculiar it shows the +25% 4 times and each time it says gold emerald amulet.... i assure you I am not wearing 4 gold emerald amulets.

I have an amulet a ring, gloves, and armor. it shows all 4 benefits coming from the amulet.

even after restarting the game and re-equiping all 4 pieces.

That's really weird. Have you got an autosave you could load from before you did the enchanting? Redoing that process might fix things. It definitely sounds like something has glitched out.

@Agrona, I'm not sure to be honest but I'm thinking that maybe it counts as a completely separate armor set than all the 'normal' armors? If it's a unique armor type then none of the perks would apply to it and thus you'd have to have enough fortify smithing to get your skill to 168 as the chart states.

Ahh, ok yea that would make sense. Thanks DragoValhar.


@ Fikealox - Yea, looking at it now, I believe I was thinking that you won't be able to create these type of armors (without the perks).

Ahh, gotcha. That's right!

Too be honest, having had the ability to craft with elven, I had maybe 32 smithing, and one piece of fortify smithing armor I discovered. I had a high alchemy level and made a fortify smithing potion to improve 55%, drank it, and was able to upgrade my weapons and armor to legendary status.

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Must've been some good fortify smithing armor ;0)

This better not be a bug introduced in 1.3, someone was saying something about the fortify effects not working as intended.

It was fortify gauntlets of 20%, plus the potion, brought it up to 75%. So actually, my skill level would only be about 68, but having the perk elven, I could normally improve to the one below flawless, and then with the potion, have flawless and legendary.

fill out the smith tree all the way if you like light armor heavy only if not
but at 35 any thing you smith is gonna svck
keep making stuff
what i did i bought all the iron ore and mined as much as i can find
the use the alt (Trandsomting or other) to turn it in to gold
made a crap load of gold rings and enchanted them with low cheep soul gems
lvled up black enchat and got rich toboot
then when i had to drop close to 45g's for an *spoiler* and its *spoiler* i was like no sweat
and by that time i learned the hows of enchanting for loot
now i never worry about money
any my gear put the A in Hiroshima

That would be me. I have 4 characters (plus I've made several more to test) and fortify smiting only works on one of them, the oldest. The effect shows under active effects but it doesn't work. The old character made with v1.1 works so I know how it should be but the rest do not.