So judging from the rewards I'm guessing if we give Azura's Star to Nelacar that's the evil path?

Yes, I know there's no karma meter, but many quests and/or outcome choices are less good than others.

Yes, that would be the "evil" path, though I'd call it the "practical" one. Bandits are far more common than animals with Grand souls.

Yeah, I'm willing to take the karmic ding on this one because I like the idea of the Black Star. Plus, I'm pretty sure I've been tricked into evil quests that I couldn't abandon by now anyway. <.<

Can Nelacar be killed afterward?

Depends on your POV. Do you consider abiding by the will of a daedric prince a good thing?

No, but isn't Azura the one that isn't considered "wholly evil"? Plus, this character's already tarnished by being tricked into quests wherein I can't abandon them or kill the NPC resposible so what's one more?

Funny, I fight more Draugr and animals than I do bandits which makes Azura's Star more practical for me. P.S. Getting the Black Star removes it from Azura and prevents you from getting one of the best followers in the entire game plus earning you Azura's anger. Azura's wrath is bad seeing as how the ENTIRE plot of Morrowind was caused by her and she's the reason the Dunmer look like they do now. Does that seem like a good idea angering a Daedric Prince known for revenge?

Nelacar's path is quite more practical. Also look at the story with the Black Star; Azura drove the guy insane, did he not? The Daedric princes at their best have grey morality, and Azura is borderline grey-black.

The guy deserved it. He stole a Daedric artifact without earning it, meaning he stole something from a Daedric Prince. He not only stole it, but altered it to be separate from Azura, essentially spitting in her face. I'd say he deserved what he got, considering what he says in the Star. Tell me, if someone stole something from you and tried to make sure it would never belong to you and spat in your face, would you not want to take revenge on him?

It wasn't right what Azura did though. As Nelecar said, we are just pawns. Our lives mean nothing to them. Azura got her revenge, but how many lives did it cost? She drive the guy mad, and that guy ended up screaming at students who didn't say anything, and even killed some of them. That's just a complete disregard for life.

Well, on my first character I'll primarly use Soul Gems for enchanting (not recharging) so wouldn't the Black Star be more useful for that? Doesn't it store higher-level souls? Do higher level souls make stronger Enchants or is that soley based on one's Enchating level?

I'm basically trying to get the most of out Enchating from the Black Star.

Think of it this way. By doing 'bad' and helping Nelacar, you can then steal his staff to give to that lazy gob[censored]e over the road.
I didnt think this route was particularly evil, btw. The guy did say he wanted to make amends and finish what had been started afterwards.

Can someone explain the black start to me in simple terms please? It is essentially a re-useable soulgem? I havent yet used it as it is worth alot and if it's just a one use thing I'd rather sell it.

it's a reusable Black Soul Gem
Come to think of it, I read somewhere that there's a bug which allows Black Star to absorb white souls. Can anyone confirm?

According to Wikia: "In actuality, however, The Black Star can hold either white or black souls, just like a Black Soul Gem."

Full article (contains spoilers): http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Black_Star_%28Quest%29

Wait, a Black Soul Gem can capture a white soul?

I'm so getting the Black Star. Screw Azura, I have Shor and Akatosh waiting for me, so are Meridia and the sixy Nocturnal

I experimented with it once, and it captured a giant's soul. Not sure if it has been patched yet though.

Yes you fight more monsters than npc, however grand souls are rare, your best bet is go mammoth hunting and they are hard to kill at low level. Recharge weapons with the star midway in an bandit hideout so you have it filled then you leave.

If you want to make your own enchanted gear the black star is very nice, Riften is an nice place as you can kill bandits in the ratwalk and the area behind the thief guild bar and return to the jarls house to enchant.
If you are not interested in enchanting but use the items you get the white star is probably better.

But yes i to feel bad for Azura, always felt she was nice and don't want her on my bad side.

Yes for enchanting the black star it invaluable, give you an constant access to grand souls.

azura is borderline grey-white

her curses are like pranks (what she did to dunmer, it doesn t hurt them)

The guy speaks of daedraSSSSS driving him insane, not necessarily Azura
Remember he was trying to become a major power, a daedra hiself,
there are dozens of daedra who would be unhappy

the black star is far more evil as it create a precedent for necromancers to turn themselves into godlike being

another thing peoples are not considering here, is the impact of DESTROYING HUMAN SOULS
yes you are killing human beings permanently, much like the daedra are stealing their souls
but just far worst, because once destroyed there is no going back, no paradise ever
no fighting hircine to free their cursed brother and let them go to sovngarde
they are just gone for good

and since the plot of morrowind involve reincarnation, as does the book about the eternal champion
this might be the way it normaly go in that fictional universe
but there you go killing their souls

Azura may be evil, but she is the lesser of two evil
and if she built the star once, she can again, no big deal for her
she is a daedra after all

finally I ll invite you to read on the black star black sun prophecy ...
how do you destroy a world
what are the tools needed
what does the thalmor want
what do they seem to be in league with necromancers

who is evil now ...

With my Dunmer , i gave it to Azura for RP reasons , as it's highly unlikely any Dunmer would alienate such a sacred Daedra for his people

With other characters like my last one , Nord pro-Stormcloak and fanatic Thalos believer , i just gave the Star to the Nelacar , cause as said posters above , it's more useful

About the good and evil issue , i think both are equally evil , like pretty much all the quest involving Daedra or their artifacts and/or people interested in acquiring them in Skyrim (always for power , money or influence reasons )

Another thing is by the end game you can have thousands of gold so you can buy plenty of filled Grand Soul Gems. grand soul gems are the same as filled black soul gems so it doesn't really matter. Having strong enchantments is nice but that doesn't mean anything if you can't actually use the enchantment because it runs out after 5 hits. Not to mention at high levels you can fill almost 50 soul gems with greater souls which are mainly now Draugr Deathlords.

Another issue with the Black Star is actually using it for enchantment. Killing a human is nice but unless you find an enchantment station nearby, you have to use it to refill a weapon where you have to then refill it again unless you are forced to leave the dungeon or fast travel. Azura's Star can absorb any souls, meaning you can use it for instant refilling for weapons where a grand soul would be too excessive. The Black Star may be good for enchanting but Azura's Star is good for actually using those enchantments plus getting one of the more powerful followers in the game and not earning the anger of a Daedric Prince.

I always baffles me that the bloody Daedra always seem to have a situation that can only be resolved by a mortal. Not to mention the fact that they're forever losing stuff and need help to find it. Doesn't make for very fearsome creatures does it?

Anyhows, to answer the original question I think either choice can be viewed as good or bad depending on how you look at it. Personally I think that breaking a trust and leaving a person waiting forever for your return is a crummy thing to do even if that person is a Dunmer and devout follower of Azura. One could go into a theological debate on why only gods with pure white attributes should be worshipped instead of the whole pantheon but that is a discussion for another topic. All I will say about it is that Tiber Septum aka Talos had an abortion done on his lover without her consent when he was a mortal and yet nobody is up in arms about him being worshipped. Compared to that Azura is an angel. Religious views aside though, it is a matter of honour and you have to decide how much honour your character has in the end.

It's not evil if you consider consorting with daedra to be evil. Then, you could call it the good path. If you're really bothered about such things.

Sweet. The Black Star is a non-issue for me then because I already have a few filled Black Soul Gems and quite a few Grands. I'm mainly interested in putting enchantments on armor (mainly shock and fire resist) and I want them to be as high as possible.


I know, right? They threaten and insult us for how weak we are, but they need us to do their bidding. Call me a "puppet"? Show yourself, Btich!

I know...I feel badly being evil to NPCs who haven't done anything wrong to me. Yeah, even in an RP situation.

Take Fallout 3 and Fable for example: I just can't bring myself to take advantage of the NPCs and be evil.

If you're talking about the loading screen message, that's Meridia, the one who hates undead and gives you a glowing sword. Azura is often considered "good" by Dunmer, but I think Nelacar makes a good case that manipulative demigods can go svck eggs. If she was really so awesome, she would've tipped off more people in Morrowind before a volcano smoked their sorry behinds.

That's probably the one about which I'm thinking.