Smithing - Mandatory? : V

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:52 pm

Anyone else feels like Smithing is Mandatory for Barbarian-type characters? Is it even possible to have Ebony and Daedric if you don't make them yourself?

» Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:55 am

Yes at high levels ebony is common loot, but daedric is always rare. You need to be ~level 40+ to be able to find daedric.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:14 pm

True barbarians stick with hide.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:57 pm

Smithing is never mandatory, but you can get higher level armor and weaponry sooner if you use it.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:26 pm

Shouldn't barbarian type characters technically be wearing light armor? I thought Barbarians tend to use things like fur and leather in their armor.

» Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:49 am

Yeah Daedric seems to be really rare, I'm at level 61 and haven't come across much at all. I started off leveling my smithing skill thinking I would make ebony and daedric weapons and armor but then came to realize that this would really destroy any sense of discovery and dungeon crawling so even though I have the perks the make them I only upgrade the weapons and armor I find.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:25 pm

I hate the fact NPC's can't improve and enchant armor for you....I don't want MY ARGONAIN GOING INTO SMITHING JUST BECAUSE HE LIKES TO STICK WITH SCALE AND HIDE.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:15 pm

I hate the fact NPC's can't improve and enchant armor for you....I don't want MY ARGONAIN GOING INTO SMITHING JUST BECAUSE HE LIKES TO STICK WITH SCALE AND HIDE.

Well hate is a pretty strong word but I do agree, they should have implemented pay for smithing/enchanting services.

» Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:34 am

I hate the fact NPC's can't improve and enchant armor for you....I don't want MY ARGONAIN GOING INTO SMITHING JUST BECAUSE HE LIKES TO STICK WITH SCALE AND HIDE.

Well, there has to be some incentive to go into the tree yourself. I'd support NPC's upgrading weapons and armor up to, say, flawless quality, though.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:40 pm

If there was pay for improving/enchanting...

then those perk trees would do nothing but save(/make) you money.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:08 pm

Well hate is a pretty strong word but I do agree, they should have implemented pay for smithing/enchanting services.

Then who would have leveled their smithing/enchanting skills?

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:04 pm

Well, there has to be some incentive to go into the tree yourself. I'd support NPC's upgrading weapons and armor up to, say, flawless quality, though.

Yeah I think this is Bethesda's reason for not putting it in, but they could have made it on the expensive side so that there would be some benefit to do-it-yourself.

» Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:19 am

Well, there has to be some incentive to go into the tree yourself. I'd support NPC's upgrading weapons and armor up to, say, flawless quality, though.

The incentive should be that you can do it on your own and for free. I wouldn't mind exuberant prices for the NPC's to do it.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:38 pm

Shouldn't barbarian type characters technically be wearing light armor? I thought Barbarians tend to use things like fur and leather in their armor.

Well it depends. My Barbarian uses a shield + 1h Axe + Forsworn Armor. The thing is I'm tempted to put some perks in smithing because I'm level 38 and still fighting with a Dwarven Shield :/

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:59 am

There is a bit of a problem with replacing those skill trees with paid services. To keep balance, they'd have to be very expensive, or it wouldn't be worth taking the skill. However, if they were very expensive, there would be "game logic" problems in that it wouldn't mesh with the rest of the in-game economy. Every NPC should become a smith and earn 10 grand per legendary upgrade.

Edit: others made the same point...

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:56 pm

Then who would have leveled their smithing/enchanting skills?

Those who cant afford it. They could have made it costly to do. Why level your alchemy skill when you can just buy potions....cause they are pretty expensive (the good ones anyways).

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:58 pm

Having 100 Smithing skill? yes.

Blowing perks to make Dadric? Completely optional.

I wish I didn't delete my last character that ran up the Heavy Armor side of the smithing tree, but my current character there is only five points damage difference between Skyforge Steel (133) and Glass (138) swords.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:28 pm

There is a bit of a problem with replacing those skill trees with paid services. To keep balance, they'd have to be very expensive, or it wouldn't be worth taking the skill. However, if they were very expensive, there would be "game logic" problems in that it wouldn't mesh with the rest of the in-game economy. Every NPC should become a smith and earn 10 grand per legendary upgrade.

Edit: others made the same point...

...I'll just wait for a mod. Forget game logic. It's a game.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:49 pm

There is a bit of a problem with replacing those skill trees with paid services. To keep balance, they'd have to be very expensive, or it wouldn't be worth taking the skill. However, if they were very expensive, there would be "game logic" problems in that it wouldn't mesh with the rest of the in-game economy. Every NPC should become a smith and earn 10 grand per legendary upgrade.

Edit: others made the same point...

Not if there is only one Master Smither in Skyrim. Make him hard to find, make it hard to earn his trust (some hard quests) and make his service VERY costly and that's it. Much better having a hard way option than nothing at all :/

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:19 pm

Those who cant afford it. They could have made it costly to do. Why level your alchemy skill when you can just buy potions....cause they are pretty expensive (the good ones anyways).

Money isn't hard to find. My first characters alchemy svcks and he is constantly buying potions.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:58 pm

I would of liked a pay for service for enchanting be it expensive, time consuming or resource intensive.

My warrior and thief will never know such delights

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:27 am

Someone who claims to be level 61 and hasn't skilled up smithing is fibbing. It's not that you need the products of smithing to get to that level, but you can't ignore entire skills and get there. To get past 60 you have to have substantial skill levels in all skills.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:05 pm

Forget game logic. It's a game.

» Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:36 am

It is certainly not "MANDITORY" as you can play the game and never smith an item at all. Will you certainly not be uber-powerful without the smithed items, but the game is still playable (obviously you will have ot play it differently, but it coudl be done).

Now if you want to play thru entirely on MASTER difficulty, it may be "HIGHLY RECOMENDED"....