Bosmers and the Aldmeri Dominion?

Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:54 am

My character, a Nord, was talking to a Thalmor walking around the palace in Markarth. He mentioned something that I never knew before and was wondering if anyone had some background on it. He said that the Aldmeri Dominion had made an alliance with the Bosmer and that together, as an alliance of Elves, they would rule everything (or something like that).

Honestly I always thought the Bosmer were exact opposites as far as elves go. Sure Dunmer are cursed but still more seemingly civilized than Bosmers (I won't bother mentioning Orcs, but anyway).

So what's the story here? Is there more somewhere else in the game that gives some more insight on this? Does anyone know if I was playing a Bosmer if the dialog would have changed? Do the Thalmor really like (or get along with) Bosmers? The whole thing kinda caught me off guard.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:55 pm

Well as it seems it was more of a thalmor coup. if you look at the Thalmore embassy then you can see the bosmer are clearly second class to the thalmor.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 6:16 am

There was a Bosmer resistance movement that the Imperials were funding, but they're probably mostly dead now.

The Thalmor tricked the Khajit into accepting them as saviours as well.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:16 am

Remember: not all Altmer like the Thalmor.

What about the Popular Front for the Liberation of Skyrim? I think there's only one or two people. Splitters!

But remember we're fighting the real enemy: the Skyrim People's Front? No you idiot! The Thalmor!
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:38 am

Just as some Nords support the Empire and others support the Stormcloaks, some Bosmer support the Thalmor whereas others don't. Unfortunately we don't have any idea on how prevalent either opinion is.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:56 pm

Valenwood is where the original Thalmor Headquarters use to be. Considering it all started there before Tiber crushed them, I see no reason why majority of the Bosmers would not side with the Aldmeri Dominion.

Also Khajits didn't get tricked.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:56 pm

Valenwood is where the original Thalmor Headquarters use to be. Considering it all started there before Tiber crushed them, I see no reason why majority of the Bosmers would not side with the Aldmeri Dominion.

Also Khajits didn't get tricked.

The Moons disappearing hasn't been explained.It is just as likely they were tricked as not
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:46 am

Valenwood is where the original Thalmor Headquarters use to be. Considering it all started there before Tiber crushed them, I see no reason why majority of the Bosmers would not side with the Aldmeri Dominion.

Also Khajits didn't get tricked.

Because most modern Bosmer would not have grown up under a Thalmor government, but instead an Imperial government (or a government that the Empire provided for, which again, wasn't Thalmor) and as such most would not be very privy to being lorded over by a faction that generally isn't primarily Bosmer anyway. The Valenwood coup was staged by a few Thalmor-sympathetic Bosmer factions. Everyone else who didn't decide to support the Thalmor from then on went on to be absolutely screwed.

Need I mention the purges that have been going on for just under 200 years in Valenwood now?

And the Khajiits were tricked. The moons did disappear, but the Khajiit were made to believe that their return was due to the Dominion, which of course was absolute crap.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:27 pm

Remember: not all Altmer like the Thalmor.

What about the Popular Front for the Liberation of Skyrim? I think there's only one or two people. Splitters!

But remember we're fighting the real enemy: the Skyrim People's Front? No you idiot! The Thalmor!
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:38 am

And the Khajiits were tricked. The moons did disappear, but the Khajiit were made to believe that their return was due to the Dominion, which of course was absolute crap.

Just like how the mankind were tricked of Talos becoming the nineth by Talos making a deal with the Dunmer god who happens to be a Daedra.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:28 am

Just as some Nords support the Empire and others support the Stormcloaks, some Bosmer support the Thalmor whereas others don't. Unfortunately we don't have any idea on how prevalent either opinion is.
One clue is that, to my knowledge, there is not a single pro-Thalmor Bosmer in the game, whereas you encounter a couple Khajiit agents working for the Thalmor.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:16 am

One clue is that, to my knowledge, there is not a single pro-Thalmor Bosmer in the game, whereas you encounter a couple Khajiit agents working for the Thalmor.

That's because all the pro imperial bosmer moved out of Valenwood to settle in Imperial territories. It's not because the majority of Bosmer dislike the Aldemeri Dominion.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:31 pm

That's because all the pro imperial bosmer moved out of Valenwood to settle in Imperial territories. It's not because the majority of the Bosmer dislike the Aldemeri Dominion.
Well beside the fact that I'm not sure what source you're getting this from, my point is that if the Thalmor were going to send agents to Skyrim, they'd be more likely to choose elves than Khajiit- if they had any such agents available to them. There are more Bosmer in Skyrim than Khajiit and they would blend in better.

Also- if all the imperial Bosmer moved out, who is being purged?
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:05 am

Yah, Celan.... Khajiit (other than a PC cat of course) are pretty much persona non grata in Skyrim. Hard to be spies, agents, etc. if you can't even get in the gates.... Now, some places you can get in the city without "notice" - Windhelm, Solitude, Riften, Falkreath - but others? No way. No backdoors to Markarth, Whiterun. And Dawnstar, Morthal, and Winterhold don't matter.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:13 pm

Well beside the fact that I'm not sure what source you're getting this from, my point is that if the Thalmor were going to send agents to Skyrim, they'd be more likely to choose elves than Khajiit- if they had any such agents available to them. There are more Bosmer in Skyrim than Khajiit and they would blend in better.

Also- if all the imperial Bosmer moved out, who is being purged?

Actually the Khajit spy in question lives in Riften. It happens to be the most multicultural city of Skyrim. Also I think a lot of people are forgetting that pro Thalmor Valenwood also consits of a large population of Khajits. Since they are traveling merchants in Skyrim, I think they have potential to make good spies.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:13 pm

All elves are equal. Some are just more equal than others.

Remember: not all Altmer like the Thalmor.

What about the Popular Front for the Liberation of Skyrim? I think there's only one or two people. Splitters!

But remember we're fighting the real enemy: the Skyrim People's Front? No you idiot! The Thalmor!
The People's Front of Skyrim would like to have a word with you, ma'am. :stare:
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:10 am

well thats IS very interesting, i always thought the bosmer disliked the thalmore, or thats the impression i got.

if you listen to ulfric at some point he says osmthign about skyirm making an alliance with high rock, he seems to think they too want to break away from the empire, but then i guess they dont wanna side with him and he simple goes "*sigh* well i guess the bosmer

OMG- :o i was talking about the bretons! :)

well anyway thats what the bretons think, they like the empire- not the thalmore.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:40 pm

pistolero, you have some interesting quotes and such below oyur comment >.> america aye? last i heard you guys are getting a president that dosent belive in global warming nor evoloution , <.< >.> but hey lets rebuild americas future today ? XD

(but then im british so maybe i got that wrong)
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:26 am

There were massive purges in Valenwood when the Thalmor took over and many Bosmer were massacred.

The wood elf Malborn and also Delphine tell you something about it during the Diplomatic Immunity part of the main quest.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:57 pm

There were massive purges in Valenwood when the Thalmor took over and many Bosmer were massacred.

The wood elf Malborn and also Delphine tell you something about it during the Diplomatic Immunity part of the main quest.

I did some research and it appears that their background is very connected, but present day (game wise) I don't see why the Thalmor agent in Markarth would say those things and include the Bosmer. I'll have to check again about what Malborn says, I had forgotten about him.
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Post » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:14 am

I guess in the long run, Mankar Camoran won, just not the victory he was expecting. He was descended from the Camoran Bosmer, I wonder if they were behind the Thalmor coup in Valenwood?
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:02 pm

There were massive purges in Valenwood when the Thalmor took over and many Bosmer were massacred.

The wood elf Malborn and also Delphine tell you something about it during the Diplomatic Immunity part of the main quest.
The present day Dominion sees Valenwood as a colony and the Bosmers as 2nd rate elves good for menial tasks.
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