Seriously, has anyone done the ANTI DB questline? They could have easily had some unique options to publicly kill the DB while they were on special missions, but instead, JUST KILL THEM ALL, and here is 3000 gold....wtf?!

Agreed, this is by far the worst designed quest in the game.

I think it's a start, considering you actually can wipe the floor with them, unlike in the previous games...

At least they gave you a choice (unlike in the rest of the quest)

I only miss the chance to track down the few members that weren't present in the sanctuary: Cicero and Babette and, of course, the night mother.

I would have liked to find password to their other hideout to go after Cicero. I thought that was a no-brainer for the kill-em-all quest. Seems like it would have been easy to code too.

Personally I will take any chance to kill the DB, now in retrospect I wouldnt mind the luxury of hunting down the rest and purging the world of those vile people once and for all, but again I will take what I can get. I just wish they had put up more of a fight, I literally have fought tougher mudcrabs

as for the choice wise in the game. The main story line gives in the end about 3000 without bonus and full quest completion. Its just a lazy mans way to beat it without joining and doing the moral thing. As for the reward, it should have been leveled to be higher. And the characters not there mostly some you can't kill and carry on. Like you can kill a child, Bethesda will not do that, even if the child vamp is hundreds of years old. And Cicero? As for him I think he heads to another sanctuary and the quest line is done by another person.

Keeps some of a its your choice, but it will happen.

Like the raid, it happens always in the end. It will happen fast with you helping or slowly with you against it. Its all you and basic end game story.

The reward also includes all their DB armor which you find in the Sanctuary.

I'm glad they included the option this time round to wipe out the Brotherhood. Its a nice change from having unkillable factions everywhere.

I really think the DB quest line was really poor in this entry,,,,either way if u go with it or if u decide to wipe'em out ....very poor quest line when it comes to reward the player ..i remember oblivion the DB was bad ass and feared all over http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Cyrodiil and then once you were in u felt some kind of proud to be part of..here its just 5 ppl wanting to play assassin so yeah very dissapointing ..in my opinion...of all the quests lines i really liked the thieves guild since the college was kind of pointless as well....but at least u could take good things out of it....

The whole point of the DB questline and the Anti-DB quest is to help set in stone some lore. No matter what, the Falkreath Sanctuary is destroyed, but the DB lives on and Babette and the Night Mother are the constants that escape. Nazir can be killed, as can Cicero. Babette and the Night Mother however, escape/survive no matter what.

^THIS

I disagree it doesn't do that, Babette would return to the sanctuary and find it destroyed and everyone dead she'd move on, likely leaving Skyrim all together. She wouldn't know about the sanctuary in Dawnstar let alone the password to get inside. Cicero would return to the Dawnstar sanctuary with the Nightmother once he learns Astrid's chapter has been exterminated. The next game will really need to decide which path is canon eithe the Emperor is assassinated or the Dark Brotherhood is effectively destroyed.

1. Yes, it DOES do that.

2. How could a vampire, who has been killing people for centuries, possibly move on?

3. The next game will likely have both; The Emperor is assassinated AND the Dark Brotherhood is effectively destroyed.

4. Since Cicero can die, it's entirely possible that the Dark Brotherhood dies with him, leaving the Night Mother stranded somewhere for a new Listener to pass by and rebuild the DB. Bethesda loves to mess with our heads and never give us concrete answers. For example, what happened to the Nerevarine? It's rumoured he/she went to Akavir, but it's just that; a rumour. Could it have happened? Possibly, but it's never confirmed. Champion of Cyrodiil? May or may not be Sheogorath. Dovahkiin? No idea yet, but the answer will be deliberately cryptic. Since the DB questline is not a main one (which likely means no Dragon Break) yet there are constants between the two, it very likely means that the canon response/development will be that the DB is still on the rocks/not as powerful as they were, and the Emperor was killed by a lone, skilled assassin; whether or not he/she was a DB assassin will likely never be known, but could be implied.

Bethesda loves to mess with us this way. We even see it other faction questlines. If the hero doesn't do these things, some other mysterious person does. For example, my main in Oblivion never touched the DB quest, but it is still official canon that there was a purging of a DB Sanctuary in Cyrodiil in 3E 433.

Your completely ignoring the fact in one path the Emperor lives and in the other he dies.

She can move on from the dark brotherhood without moving on from killing. If the destroy the dark brotherhood path is taken so far as she knows the entire organization is gone and there is no one left. She lost faith in the nightmother long ago and the family she had with Astrid is gone. What reason does she have to stay.

Lucian may have simply done the deed himself or some other assassin took the job but it really wasn't a major event. Not doing the quest doesn't mean those events can't play out. However destroying the dark brotherhood quite obviously erases the other path from existance. This is a case where Bethesda may have to decide which path is canon as the two paths are mutually exclusive.

*headdesk*

You still fail to grasp how Bethesda operates.


And there's technically a path where you don't get involved in "Innocence Lost" at all. Like everything else Bethesda has done, both paths will become canon somehow. The Emperos is in fact assassinated, and the DB got its ass handed to itself. Hell, they could even declare this post-game; something along the lines of " just totally destroyed Dawnstar". Even though they haven't done something like that so far, it will likely end up being that the Emperor is assassinated but the DB is still weak as hell.

She can move on from the dark brotherhood without moving on from killing. If the destroy the dark brotherhood path is taken so far as she knows the entire organization is gone and there is no one left. She lost faith in the nightmother long ago and the family she had with Astrid is gone. What reason does she have to stay.

Getting paid so she can continue to survive comfortably would probably be a pretty good reason.

Lucian may have simply done the deed himself or some other assassin took the job but it really wasn't a major event. Not doing the quest doesn't mean those events can't play out. However destroying the dark brotherhood quite obviously erases the other path from existance. This is a case where Bethesda may have to decide which path is canon as the two paths are mutually exclusive.

Which was EXACTLY my point; no matter what, SOMEONE does the quests and the quests become canon. One can play through any Elder Scrolls game and not touch the Main Quest, yet it is established that there is/was an Eternal Champion, an Agent of the Emperor, a Nerevarine, a Champion of Cyrodiil, and a Dovahkiin. Even if you never played through those main quests, it is still established that those things happened and those people existed, whether they were your character or not.

So yes, the Emperor is assassinated. However, the Dark Brotherhood is STILL on the rocks and a shadow of its former self.

i wish there was an option to burn the nightmother's body too. Now we need a mod to get rid of maven and her thieves guild

This, I thought it was silly how we can get rid of the DB, but not the Thieves guild, we could turn them in, have public beheadings, public humiliations, just like they humiliate people. SOMETHING.

And as for babette, yeah, she is gone, but i never saw cicero in the sanctuary.....sooooooooo im sure he gets away, There should have been some ways to take care of each member one at a time, while they were doing missions though, maybe some detective work, or possibly torture? Yeah, not very pretty, but its the DB, they deserve it.

^^^^ OMG, This. So much of this. We could even get Mjoll involved; you help her uncover the corruption and take down the Black-Briars. And, as an added bonus, if you side with the Empire in the civil war but Maven kicks the bucket, then Mjoll could become the new Jarl.


Um, you DO remember that it's possible to kill Cicero once he betrays the DB, right?

Yes, I think you should be more rewarded. And everybody is so hard to kill. I tried and as soon as I walked in the werewolf guy tore me apart!

Lore-wise, was the emperor assassinated or not? That's the bit I can't get my head around.

But, yes, they could have made so much more of this quest. You should have needed to find out the password: capture a Dark Brotherhood assassin a la Blackwood Company, perhaps? Then finding the Sanctuary itself. Then tying up lose ends. It could have easily been a three-part quest, with sneaking, assassination, and combat. Instead it was just another dungeon crawl with named NPCs.

It would also have been the first chance to play as a proper law enforcement officer.

I totally agree with you. Like in the future of TES, they might use the assassination of the emperor as a thing in the next game. And if you never assassiated him...

It's just to provide a way out of the DB for people who role play good characters. It is quite possible a vast majority of the people playing Skyrim don't even know about this.

Cannon will be that the dragonborn becomes the listener.