Yeah, the bucket exploit. They must have had fun doing that.

It should've followed the same system as a crime. If you steal something within hold A, you cannot sell that item within hold A, but you can sell it in hold B or C. It makes sense that someone would report an item stolen and merchants nearby would be notified of what to look for.

Bucket Exploit? You *must* be joking, surely. I think i have to try this...

Because these red letters appear on your forehead that say "item is stolen". Only merchants can see it, and they can see through helmets so don't even try to hide it.

Nope. And it's quite frankly hilarious

Ah, the everyone knows everything is stolen thing again.

just another one to add to the Mod list...

You know, computer games have limited resources, with limited resources comes abstractions.

You say the sword isn't unique. From the computer point of view, yeah, that Steel sword is just the same as any other you can find in the Skyrim, from Solitude down to the oldest nord barrow.

But just because the game doesn't care to make every single steel sword look different doesn't mean you should consider them all to be perfect carbon copy replicas of each other. Such mass production capabilities don't exist in the game universe.


So yeah, the sword you stole IS unique, even if nothing in the game shows it

Blacksmiths leavin their marks.

Cheers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccBQZVpVvAE


Good point. Problem is that it only makes any sense if all the merchants in Skyrim have expert knowledge of all equipment in all the houses.

EDIT: And have heard the rumours of the theft. Sure, you know its a sword made by The Angry Blacksmith. But you could have bought it there and try to sell it here. There isn't any law against that.

I think. Maybe there is. Maybe that's the thing...

If they know it is stolen why don't they report you to the guards? And alternatively if they won't report you to the guards, why won't they buy the item, failure to inform the law of criminal behavior is a crime itself isn't it?

In reality, swords were often sold and traded no matter who made them. Y`know people got killed in lots of wars, leaving lots of armour and swords to be taken and sold. they all had smithy marks, so too did gold.

The only sword that might be refused would have to have an extremely well know mark (like the King`s smithy) to be refused and probably would not be if sold out of province, perhaps earning an even bigger profit.

The sword mark thing really holds very little water.

I have never tried that priceless.

This is what I'm going with - No such thing as an "ordinary" steel sword - Unfortunately, game developers do not see the benefit of procedurally-generated meshes and textures, so that every item CAN be unique.

There's that cute animation on YouTube where the guy's asking the guard how he knew his sword was stolen. "It's just a steel sword. There are hundreds just like it."

Better yet, how do *I* know? I can take about 80% of a merchant's goods. How do I know I can grab one bottle but not the one next to it?

I have no problem selling stolen goods? My question is when you place something you found in a quest (like a staff) in a dresser in, let's say Dragonsreach, does it show up as red?

What I find crazy is not only are the merchants aware of your stolen goods, but if you get the perk in the Speech Tree you can make any merchant a fence.

So basically...

Merchant: Sorry those potatoes are stolen I cannot purchase them from you.

Player: But I have the ability now to sell them to you.

Merchant: Hmm, OK, then.


Seriously?!!?

Everytime i fight a Giant and there are guards arround they just stand and say something about this gona be fun, but do nothing... i also have seen them run many many times when they see one of the guards killed.

yet taking things from people you killed is not stealing and the items are not stolen..

i remember the morrowind days.. where nearly everything that i owned was stolen before i got to a certain level where the percentage wasn't so big.

Plus- why do merchants have lots of dwemer/ glass/ orcish items to sell yet you can never find it near them? stupid scaling...

I don't think many people during that time period had 'proper' weapons. They may have fashioned something themselves, but a well-crafted sword?

No, markings don't entirely explain it away, but they go some way toward justifying refusal of some stolen goods.

And yes, mods will fix this.


It makes sense. If you're charming enough, you can convince a lot of people to do a lot of things that they wouldn't normally- all because they like you so darn much.


Maybe TES:VI has this.

I dunno I have killed NPCs for a quest and there stuff was marked "Steal." I cannot remember which quest it was but my husband killed I believe it was a vampire and there stuff was marked this.

Thanks for the link. It's a fun little gimmick, but it also raises a few concerns...

Somebody at Beth actually thought of this and implemented it. It wasn't an accident. Yet the mechanics of stealing and stolen item detection in general are fundamentally flawed. It is realistic to steal an item while a character isn't looking at it, but even if you do, they know you stole it. It is unrealistic to put a bucket on someone's head to negate their line of sight, yet doing so leads to a more realistic outcome for stolen item detection.

Something real is unreal and something unreal is real.

People have been complaining about the thief mechanics in TES for a BLOODY LONG TIME. Instead of fixing it, we get a gimmick.

Beth are just taking the pi$$.

Depends where in history you look. Peasant types and common soldiery, no, but from Greek times to Medieval Knights or Japanese samurai times you had plenty of warriors, knights and samurai who fought and died and had their marked equipment stolen, kept or sold. Often noticable markings would be scratched off. Only a King`s blade and armour would avoid being sold about.

STOP RIGHT THERE!!

Because of the color of course. Which is an abstraction on friendship level. If I had someone around that I barely knew, I wouldn't care at all if that person grabbed some of my milk from the fridge, or a couple of beers. But you'd have to be a pretty close friend to close in on the liquor cabinet without me fetching a gun. Get the idea? And I think what you can take and what you can't take without causing this theft in the game, depends on your standing with them.

For but bucket exploit, frigging hilarious. But it's gotta go - it's an exploit the AI can't cope with. A GM would figure out a way to deal with it. That said, it's at least an exploit you have to work to achieve any effects, it's not an exploit you get simply by playing the game when you're trying NOT to exploit anything but it still happens - those are much more severe.