I noticed that on the PC cover it says Games for Windows and not Games for Windows Live. So no Achievements? As a former Xbox gamer, I love Achievements and I will be saddened if they are not present in my most anticipated game this year. And yes, its all about the Gamerscore!

As I understand it, it's games for windows, minus the live.

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I suspect that there will be Achievements, due to this being a multi-platform title. (The consoles demand achievements/trophies for their titles, don't they?) Not having LIVE probably just means that there is no Gamerscore for PC players, and your Achievements are stored locally rather than associated with any sort of online account. They could display in your Pipboy under General Stats(?) where it currently displays how many enemies you've killed, quests you've completed, etc.

Personally, I couldn't care less about LIVE or Achievements. I had been playing the game for months before I even discovered that there were Achievements listed in your LIVE account, and it's not like I ever go in there to look at them or brag about them.

Gstaff has stated that the game will only have Games for Windows. And good thing, GFWL is an abomination.

Still, I'd like some achievements, just have them be in-game, like ME1 and ME2 on the PC.

We have an open thread http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1092430-no-gfwl-really/page__st__20__p__15943242__hl__windows%20live__fromsearch__1&#entry15943242 for this discussion. Please use it.

And a statement from Gstaff: