The Recognition Issue

Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:22 pm

I keep seeing people all over the place complaining about them not being recognized for their deeds... Well, you do get recognized, but in a realistic fashion.

In the real world, even though you might be the most famous person alive, there will still be a majority of the united population who don't know who you are or what you've done. You can choose to mingle with those who do, but in this game that would limit you to certain guards and those NPC's who have experienced your usefulness firsthand. But that's just due to the limited amount of NPC's.

On top of that, the children. They don't know who you are because they don't care. When have children cared about advlts who've done good deeds if it wasn't giving them presents? To prove this, ask a child you know if they've heard about Bono. 99% of the time they'll say no.

And don't expect everyone to hand out extreme praise everywhere because you killed a bunch of bandits. You got your bounty, you proved that you can get things done and some people who know this like it. And they tell you.

Now, the Dragonborn issue. It's an old Nord legend. So why should people besides Nords care? Because you can use ancient magic? As far as they care, there's no difference between that and normal magic, which by the way is only good for blowing stuff up.

Those who care think it's awesome that there's a Dragonborn. They hear about it from their neighbor who heard it from a traveler who heard it from a guy in Whiterun who heard it from a guard who heard it from another guard who were at the Western Watchtower when you found out you were one. Now, how do you expect those people to deliver an accurate description of how you look to the next person they tell? Hint; they don't even care about the details, they just want to have something interesting to talk about.

So tough luck. You don't get recognized because you do deeds all over, most which are evenly returned in a way of a normal job. Even if you try to save the world, you only do it in Skyrim. And of course not everyone will hear about it or even care. People are too busy with their own lives.

So play the game for yourself, do deeds for the deed itself, and stop caring about praise received from fictional, programmed characters. In the end, it's not important. Just be glad that at least some recognize you.

EDIT: I put on 75% fire resistance gear, to protect against incoming flames!
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:43 am

I don't think it's ridiculous for everyone to not know who you are.

I think it's ridiculous for the guy who stands guard at the Ragged Flagon to threaten the master of the Thieves Guild.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:37 am

I don't think it's ridiculous for everyone to not know who you are.

I think it's ridiculous for the guy who stands guard at the Ragged Flagon to threaten the master of the Thieves Guild.
New guy. Or low IQ. Or no fear of death. Or no feeling of consequences.

Not everyone have working brain, which also might explain why he's only a guard.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:43 pm

But, this isn't the real world. This is Skyrim.

Although, I understand your point, I do, what annoys me about the recongnition system (though this may be a bug) is that even as leader of the Companions I am still regarded as "So what? You get the mead?" -.-
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:10 am

In Fallout 3, you became king of the wasteland, and everyone knew you, the local radio station raved about you, people gave you food, ammo and stimpacks...you were someone who had street cred.

In Skyrim, even my own 'guild mates' give me lip and [censored], guards make smart-*rse remarks about someone stealing my sweetrolls, and 30 seconds after I slay the wyrm that has been frying some small village the locals have forgotten what I have just done for them.

I AM legend....in my own lunchtime though.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:33 am

But, this isn't the real world. This is Skyrim.

Although, I understand your point, I do, what annoys me about the recongnition system (though this may be a bug) is that even as leader of the Companions I am still regarded as "So what? You get the mead?" -.-
He goes "Now I remember..." at first. He only juuuuust recognize you.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:36 am

While I agree that, in general, most people would have no idea who you are, the fact is that if you do something big in a small town, everyone finds out about it. I grew up in a small town. I knew all kinds of things I didn't want to know about people I didn't even care about. People have nothing better to do than stand around and gossip.

In any case, it is possible to build a much more robust system than they have. I don't think it's unreasonable for people to want a better system, considering it wouldn't be terribly hard to implement. I think it was just a matter of time + money. It wasn't considered terribly important compared to combat, the new perk/leveling system, an enormous handcrafted map, and hundreds of locations/quests.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:36 am

You apparently have not come across the common remarks coming from guards telling you that you fetch the mead when you are the Harbinger of the Companions. It isn't the fact that we aren't recognized enough for our actions, it is that we are told things that are not true. "No assclown, I do not fetch the mead and I happen to be the Harbinger of the Companions." That is what we have problems with.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:16 am

New guy. Or low IQ. Or no fear of death. Or no feeling of consequences.

Not everyone have working brain, which also might explain why he's only a guard.
He says, "I don't care who you are. Cause any trouble, and I'll toss you in the lake." Idk about you, but if my subordinate gave me lip with half that magnitude, he'd get a boot up his ass
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:05 am

How do they not know about you're deeds when they've figured out


vaguely that you're the Dragon born

That you joined the Companions

That you've joined the DB? (HAIL SITHIS)

that you've helped the Jarl?

That before you ever met a guard they know the gods gave you two hands and you use them for your blade?

you know alot of things they remark upon, but when it comes to crunch time you're just a common Dip? nah this isn't complacancy this is.....mega oversight.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:58 am

In Oblivion, after the main quest, the greeting of every single npc was overridden with some comment about the end of the crisis and the hero of Kvatch. It got annoying very fast, and that's why they didn't overdo it this time. Maybe the balance isn't perfect, but be careful what you wish for.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:33 am

I like your positivity, op.

But if I have to pretend everything then I would rather spent my time writing a book.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:56 pm

By all means I agree I personally don't desire perpetual butt kissing, but come the hell on
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:29 am

I was wondering why Imperial soldiers don't seem to care that I'm a Stormclock walking around in my Ulfic issued armor.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:58 pm

In Oblivion, after the main quest, the greeting of every single npc was overridden with some comment about the end of the crisis and the hero of Kvatch. It got annoying very fast, and that's why they didn't overdo it this time. Maybe the balance isn't perfect, but be careful what you wish for.

At least they were thankful. I just killed a dragon attacking Whiterun. What do I get?

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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:54 am

Praise as if I was the new high King no certainly not. Recognition is already in game it is done poorly. Lets use your guard for an example

Guards now go if your in the DB after a quest

"you were at the castle in _______ when the "event" happened"

Ok let me free in your city that YOUR guarding even though you know what i did do in the Castle.

and as Amp said this applies to dragons being attacked on cities and towns as well as already said being in the thieves guild acts the same.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:06 pm

I like not being recognised! In a world with no video or photography it makes perfect sense that I wouldn't be, except by those who have witnessed my deeds first hand.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:19 am

I keep seeing people all over the place complaining about them not being recognized for their deeds... Well, you do get recognized, but in a realistic fashion.

I don't think it's done in a realistic fashion at all.

For starters, what do you think the population of Skyrim is? ~1000 npc's? 2k tops (just to be generous)? Compared to the real world....~310 million for the US alone. 7 billion in the world. Growing up my summer's and warm weather weekends was spent in an area with a population of 1 to 2 thousand people. Everyone, for the most part, knew everyone else's business. My school year was spent in my home town of ~30K. Even then, if there is something news worthy going on, everyone knew.

Do you think the npc's would recognize the DB outfit? TG outfit? Nightingale outfit? Stormcloak uniform? Empire uniform? etc.

Some recognition happens. Walking by npc's who say random things.

Two things really,

1. The frequency with which the npcs say random stuff as you get close is too high and improperly done.
2. Directly talking to npc's is where the problem with lack of recognition comes in.


It's also not just expecting people in the next hold to know what you did in the previous. After all, if they don't know your crimes, why should they know your triumphs. We're talking the lack of recognition within the same city. Nothing better than slaying a dragon next to the BS in Whiterun, then have a nearby guard say "Let me guess, someone stole your sweetrole".


I like not being recognised! In a world with no video or photography it makes perfect sense that I wouldn't be, except by those who have witnessed my deeds first hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=WLrrBs8JBQo#t=42s

Think about what is said in the next 15 - 20 seconds.
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