Joshua Graham: Good or Bad

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:31 am

I was reading about Joshua Graham on The Vault and was really interested in who he really was. Is he a man that has committed unspeakable evils and seeking to redeem himself or is he forever doomed to be an evil man? Is he a man that deserves a second chance or should he have died at the Grand Canyon?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:39 pm

Considering he spends the entire DLC trying to save two tribes from another band of tribals, who's purpose is only to destroy, I'd say he's "good" now.

As good as good can get in a semi-realistic post-apocalyptic wasteland, at least.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:28 pm

Actually, I had to choose Neutral, but it depends on the ending path you choose.

Joshua was a very, very bad man. A characterization with which few would disagree. The question becomes is he forgiven and redeemed? (Either in a religious sense by God or in a secular sense through self-actualization.)

If you play Daniel's Ending: Joshua is condemned—technically he was already condemned, this just seals his fate. If you play Joshua's Ending: he is redeemed and saved.

The key to understanding (both his and the player's) is to play the Joshua Ending with the sparing of S-I-W option. Listen carefully to his (Joshua's) exposition and he wraps it up and puts a nice little bow on it. He admits to using God and religion and twisting them to rationalize his own agenda. (the classic Ends Justify the Means defense. Something with which we here in the US are oh, so familiar.) In the middle you can almost hear the tumblers fall into place as he has the epiphany wherein—again in a religious context, he sees the light, unlocks his soul, confesses, seeks forgiveness and receives salvation. (Whether from God or himself is determined strictly from the player's viewpoint.

One has to give the writers props for succinctly packaging an entire story arc in one speech. All the answers to all the questions and the real Joshua Graham just stood up. (most of you aren't old enough to get the "To Tell The Truth" reference, so I'll point it out.) The Burning Man has left the building.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:22 am

I think he is good, but misguided. Especially if you look at his past.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:46 pm

Good, but with some warts.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:02 am

there is no good or bad, there is only difference.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:55 am

Neutral, with an option to go towards either end of the morality scale depending on what you do.

Siding with Daniel would leave him neutral.

Siding with Joshua:

Letting him execute Salt-Upon-Wounds reveals he reverted back to his evil ways in the ending.

Fighting Salt-Upon-Wounds fairly leaves him neutral.

Sparing Salt-Upon Wounds redeems him.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:08 am

Chaotic Good.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:05 am

I'd want him on my side in a fight.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:30 am

Good question.

I think hes good but hes haunted by his past and he still wants revenge.

I cant tell by this when
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i go and kill the white legs with him to take down salt upon wounds he still wants blood thristy revenge on him. He thins this will make the pain go away but it wont. I convinced him not to kill him and he realized it was a good choice.


Overall hes good but he has much hate down inside of him just waiting to burst out.
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