Light armor, what do you think will look better?

Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:43 am

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That's exactly my point, it would get incredibly tiresome wearing plate armor when sprinting, of which my character will do a lot. It's far more practical for him to wear hide type light armor, giving him more mobility, agility and speed. I honestly can't see this Orc wearing elven or malachite armor, it just wouldn't look right, the thalmor ruin elven armor for my anyway.

Also remember the significance of the shield, blocking attacks away from your body, this combined with lighter armor is more practical for your average foot soldier.

I know I'm not getting ample protection from heavy blows, but this is Skyrim remember, I will also be relying on alteration for flesh armor. Something which cannot be compared to real life ha.

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That's exactly my point, it would get incredibly tiresome wearing plate armor when sprinting, of which my character will do a lot. It's far more practical for him to wear hide type light armor, giving him more mobility, agility and speed. I honestly can't see this Orc wearing elven or malachite armor, it just wouldn't look right, the thalmor ruin elven armor for my anyway.

I said sprinting would get tiring if you pushed it and attempted to sprint for a long distance Remember, full plate armor weighed about sixty pounds, and that was distributed over their whole body in multiple pieces. Modern infantry soldiers in the U.S. Army wear that much armor and equipment on their chest alone, not counting their weapon, boots and helmet, and I can assure you they can and quite often do sprint. And that weight is carried solely on their shoulders and waist, not distributed over their whole body like a medieval soldier in full plate.

Also remember the significance of the shield, blocking attacks away from your body, this combined with lighter armor is more practical for your average foot soldier.

It absolutely is not. Your "average" foot soldier in medieval times might have been wearing a mail shirt, which would have weighed quite a bit, possibly nearly as much as a suit of full plate, and would have placed all the weight on the soldier's shoulders and waist. Commoners wore mail (if lucky) because it was cheaper than plate, not because it was better.

And even lighter armors like leather were not worn by melee troops, but rather by missile troops and skirmishers who are DEFINITELY not meant for and who will not last in heavy close-range combat. A battleaxe or thrusting spear would have cleaved right through a suit of leather or hide armor.

I know I'm not getting ample protection from heavy blows, but this is Skyrim remember, I will also be relying on alteration for flesh armor. Something which cannot be compared to real life ha.

Well, you also didn't mention you were playing a warrior/mage in your OP.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:54 pm

Maybe a burlap sack with eye holes cut out of it.

You can't go wrong with that, considering I find the current set you have going hideous. Sorry! :confused:
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:17 am



Nope. As I said, this business of "plate armor is unwieldy and unpleasantly heavy" is a complete and utter myth, with basically no basis in fact. The only suits of plate armor that were perhaps impractical for battle were some suits specifically made for jousting, not the battlefield, and some experimental attempts to produce completely bulletproof armor, which were abandoned. Even full plate was among the least cumbersome and best-balanced armor you could wear. Knights in heavy cavalry units were able to mount horses with no problem while wearing plate.

Wearing a mail shirt would wear you out more quickly than would full plate, because of the horrible distribution of the weight.



The sheer distance you run in this game is unrealistic, period. Heavy armor has nothing to do with it.




Again, this is simply factually incorrect. I recommend you read up on it. Lighter armor was worn by many foot soldiers, yes, in medieval Europe, but this was because the majority of foot soldiers were commoners, and the nobles that equipped them tried to economize by equipping them with less expensive armors like mail shirts. Some knights operated as heavy infantry, however, and wore basically suits of full plate, or perhaps almost full plate; I think sometimes they would forgo the heavier shin-guards if they were mostly infantry.

The Swiss had heavy infantry wielding pole-arms that were most definitely wearing heavy armor.

In ancient times, the Greeks were wearing heavy Bronze armor, consisting of a bronze helmet, greaves (I think) and bronze shin-guards, and most definitely a heavy bronze briastplate, along with a large shield, heavy thrusting spear and a sword. The Romans wore a form of heavy plate armor suited for infantry, with overlapping plates I think called "brigandine", although I need to look that up. They didn't wear the super-heavy solid briastplate for the most part, although such things existed, but I believe normally the briastplate was formed of segmented, overlapping plates of armor. While lighter for sure than the preceding Greek-style armor of the hoplites, and lighter than subsequent medieval European mail shirts and full plate, it was heavy armor meant for melee soldiers in the thick of battle.

Light armor as you're thinking of it was not used by melee troops, not in the heavy infantry and cavalry warfare of ancient and medieval Europe.



That's because the ones you're thinking of are usually either (1) bandits who obviously don't have access to full suits of plate armor, or (2) living in one of those orc forts that are relatively primitive.
Running huge distances is entirely plausible given the right state of fitness, and not being weighed down to much.

I do see your point about heavy armor examples in real life, but my above comment describes how I want my character to be, agile and quick, capable of running long distances.

I'm talking more about the Skyrim battles I've experienced, in which most of the soldiers wear light armor and shields for battle. You've given me a lot of real life examples which wasn't really my point. My point was how in the world of Skyrim my character will be doing some serious long distance running, which is entirely plausible. Can you honestly preach to me wearing heavy armor is more practical for my character?

Maybe a burlap sack with eye holes cut out of it.

You can't go wrong with that, considering I find the current set you have going hideous. Sorry! :confused:
Really? It's just a basic hide light armor look, I may use different bracers and boots but I like the look of the Savior's Hide. I think the stormcloak officers helmet will work well with the SH too.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:11 pm

Glass and Ellen look absolutely terrible IMO, scaled armor looks okay, the bracers and boots I will use. Are you honestly saying that you would be combat efficient in heavy armor?! Think of the strain of movement, running or swinging a blade, you would tire so quickly. The sheer distance you run in this game makes full heavy armor a stupid choice for realism.


That for me isn't realism, did I say I wanted to make a perfect lore Orc? No I said I wanted a realistic approach to the game, no matter what you say wearing full heavy armor isn't practical for battle. Look at the battles that were fought, foot soldiers would have worn lighter armor to practicality. On horseback you can use heavy plate armor for protection as you aren't moving, that's not how I will play though. I think you miss my point about realism.

I've also seem plenty of orcs in game using light armor, fur for example.
Heavy-armored warriors were effective in combat even off their horses. As it is, modern military soldiers wear heavier armor and carry heavier weapons than the Knights of the Middle Ages did.

If you want to wear light Armor as a paladin-type... I can't see it, but Scaled seems to be the only way to go.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:04 am

I'm a Bosmer so it feels fitting to use Fur, i use the one with the arms, fur bracelets and hide boots, and usually don't wear a helmet so i can't really suggest one, I think they all look rather [censored]e to be honest :/
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:57 am

I'm a Bosmer so it feels fitting to use Fur, i use the one with the arms, fur bracelets and hide boots, and usually don't wear a helmet so i can't really suggest one, I think they all look rather [censored]e to be honest :/
I completely agree, they look terrible IMO. But without it I will struggle with armor rating, which is a must on master for a warrior. Dual wielding is also the most offensive battle style, leaving little room for defence.

I don't think the stormcloak officers hat will look to bad with fur armor, you also can get it without doing the civil war quests.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:26 am

Running huge distances is entirely plausible given the right state of fitness, and not being weighed down to much.

I do see your point about heavy armor examples in real life, but my above comment describes how I want my character to be, agile and quick, capable of running long distances.

I'm talking more about the Skyrim battles I've experienced, in which most of the soldiers wear light armor and shields for battle. You've given me a lot of real life examples which wasn't really my point. My point was how in the world of Skyrim my character will be doing some serious long distance running, which is entirely plausible. Can you honestly preach to me wearing heavy armor is more practical for my character?

Well, if you're talking about the game, and if you're just talking about running, that's done with no cost to Stamina at all, so you can do that with either heavy armor or light to your heart's content. As far as actually using the Sprint button goes, I do just fine since I put about 2/3rds of my levels into Stamina and 1/3rd into Health, and I'm wearing heavy armor - but then I can't sprint constantly. If that's what you want to do and light armor lets you do that, then go for it.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:02 am

I completely agree, they look terrible IMO. But without it I will struggle with armor rating, which is a must on master for a warrior. Dual wielding is also the most offensive battle style, leaving little room for defence.

I don't think the stormcloak officers hat will look to bad with fur armor, you also can get it without doing the civil war quests.



Ahh didn't think you cared for the rating, in all honesty though unless you have the perk? to get the bonus, the extra from the helmet isn't all that much greater, i can get away with it though because im a ranger and very rarely the enemy/enemy's get in range to deal melee, and if they do it only takes a duel attack with my daggers to finish them off.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:00 am

I completely agree, they look terrible IMO. But without it I will struggle with armor rating, which is a must on master for a warrior. Dual wielding is also the most offensive battle style, leaving little room for defence.

I don't think the stormcloak officers hat will look to bad with fur armor, you also can get it without doing the civil war quests.

If you're gonna go with light armor, then you're going to have to do something else to supplement it defense-wise. Giving up the Big Three non-magical defenses - smithing, heavy armor, and block - doesn't sound like a winning combination to me. You either need at least one of them (I'm using all three) or else some magical defenses.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:35 pm

The game realistically handles the difference between Light and Heavy armor in terms of sprinting and moving over long distances - You don't need to arbitrarily limit yourself when the game puts the limitation on for yourself.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:29 am

i like studded imperial leather. Looks sixy on a female elf. Glass looked not bad either. But i still like heavy armor looks more. As for mobility in heavy armor, bobjim123 watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aqRkxTjV1c :D
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:43 am

If you're gonna go with light armor, then you're going to have to do something else to supplement it defense-wise. Giving up the Big Three non-magical defenses - smithing, heavy armor, and block - doesn't sound like a winning combination to me. You either need at least one of them (I'm using all three) or else some magical defenses.
I'm okay with my build, I don't really need help on that. This post was more about the aesthetic look of my character. I never said I was giving up smithing, I will lightly use it only taking the steel and arcane smithing perks, to not become to overpowered. The use of alteration and restoration also gives me defensive properties, also at high levels alteration offers the strongest crowd control spell IMO, paralyse.

I also will have a large damage output, dagger in the left hand, mace/sword in the right. Therefore I won't need to take as many hits as other characters.

i like studded imperial leather. Looks sixy on a female elf. Glass looked not bad either. But i still like heavy armor looks more. As for mobility in heavy armor, bobjim123 watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aqRkxTjV1c :D
Haha, that is choreographed, completely different in a 'battle to the death' situation, entertaining though :smile:

Ahh didn't think you cared for the rating, in all honesty though unless you have the perk? to get the bonus, the extra from the helmet isn't all that much greater, i can get away with it though because im a ranger and very rarely the enemy/enemy's get in range to deal melee, and if they do it only takes a duel attack with my daggers to finish them off.
You need all 4 pieces of armor for a few of the perks, for light and heavy. Also you get a hidden +25 armor rating for each armor piece you wear, combined with the armor rating from the helm it makes quite a difference. I do want my character to look decent though, and wear realistic armor for the way I intend to play.

The game realistically handles the difference between Light and Heavy armor in terms of sprinting and moving over long distances - You don't need to arbitrarily limit yourself when the game puts the limitation on for yourself.
'Realistically', the sheer amount of distance you are able to sprint in heavy armor isn't remotely realistic. You can take a perk to make heavy armor weightless, having the same effect on stamina and speed than if you were naked. Not remotely realistic, but we are talking magic so some realism arguments can be moot ha.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:36 am

'Realistically', the sheer amount of distance you are able to sprint in heavy armor isn't remotely realistic. You can take a perk to make heavy armor weightless, having the same effect on stamina and speed than if you were naked. Not remotely realistic, but we are talking magic so some realism arguments can be moot ha.
Prior to that perk though (The point at which you wear your armor as easily as you wear your skin), it is realistic. The "unrealistic" part of Skyrim's armor system is across the board. The distance you can sprint in Light Armor and Naked is equally "unrealistic" in Skyrim, so switching to Light armor isn't going to fix that.

Mind you, I still say Glass is the best looking "Warrior-type" light armor. I'm not sure what people have against it.
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Post » Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:40 am

Prior to that perk though (The point at which you wear your armor as easily as you wear your skin), it is realistic. The "unrealistic" part of Skyrim's armor system is across the board. The distance you can sprint in Light Armor and Naked is equally "unrealistic" in Skyrim, so switching to Light armor isn't going to fix that.

Mind you, I still say Glass is the best looking "Warrior-type" light armor. I'm not sure what people have against it.
Well I disagree, the heavier the armor you wear, the harder it is for you to run, therefore it's far more practical for my character to wear light armor.

I don't really like the glass look on this character, I much prefer the fur look.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 10:33 pm

My nord berserker wears all stormcloak armor, except the the cuirass is fur.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:51 pm

That's the problem, they all look ridiculous. The steel plate helmet isn't to bad, when worn with the full set, but in terms of light armor I can't find any decent looking helmets.

Tempted to use the diadem of the savant, as it counts as light armor. So the perks still work and you still get the +100 hidden armor bonus.

Idk... maybe the leather helmet? Or something like the Thieves Guild's Hood??
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