Legion.... incomplete? : V - Skyrim

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:44 am

It just seems that who ever designed the legionairs and other 'guard' NPCs didn't bother to make them more diverse. Perhaps they figured a clean image of how a guard is supposed to look is better than having them be diverse. By keeping it simple they can easily paint a picture of the two sides. However they aren't consistent as important NPCs are diverse. To me it also seems weird that all the guards are the same almost faceless, characterless, soulless objects. It would definatly have been better if the Legion had more races in it. Orcs in particulary should be more prominant but there could also be a Khajiit and a Dunmer from time to time. And on the Stormcloak side it would be weird to have Elves, but there could be Imperials, Bretons and Redguards in their rank. Just humans who feel they must fight against the Thalmor.

Khajiiti in the legion would be considered traitors to their kind by their kin. The Khajiit are willing (unsuspecting) vassals to the Thalmor. The Redgard have seceded because the empire back-stabbed them to save it's own skin, so you'll be hard pressed to find a single Redgard who wants to fight in the legion. Instead the Redgard have formed their own military might which kicked Thalmor ass. The Orcs have other interests atm, as do most of the Dunmer. The Bretons.. They are more interested in the mages guild then in the legions, though the mages guild could very well pick up arms alongside the legions. So, what the Imperial Legion is (and should be!) left with is mostly Imperial and Nord recruits.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:09 pm

But still, the question remains... "Where da wimmen at?"

In da kitchen, wher dey belong... only my dragongirl is badass enough for a real battle (and Lydia, but she tends to get lost in the field whenever I enter a battle)

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:51 pm

Because releasing on 11-11-11 was fancy.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:12 pm

Because releasing on 11-11-11 was fancy.

I do indeed believe this played a major role in why Skyrim felt so incomplete.
Doesnt really matter what we think, Bethesda made millions and that's all they care about.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:10 pm

The Legian camps remind me too much of that other Legions camps in FO-NV

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:10 pm

what do you mean? i have seen tons of female guards in towns

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:35 am

what do you mean? i have seen tons of female guards in towns

They aren't in the Legion, they're just local law enforcement.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:19 am

1. For some strange reason, all new female recruits to the Imperial legion are being assigned to the Emporer's personal guard in Cyrodiil.

2. The smith in Solitude is working as fast as he can to make shields, but he is short on iron ingots because the nearest smelter is in Stonehills and some odd character called Dragonborn keeps using his anvil, preventing him from getting work done.

3. All Imperial Battlemages in Skyrim were killed at Helgen by a dragon. Replacements have not yet arrived from the Imperial City, the Elder Council assures us that contrary to General Tullius' assertions, they are not "stopping every 5 feet to pick flowers and catch butterflies".

I lold

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:35 pm

Because the stormcloaks would get owned so it was most likely done out of balancing purposes.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:20 pm

1. For some strange reason, all new female recruits to the Imperial legion are being assigned to the Emporer's personal guard in Cyrodiil.

2. The smith in Solitude is working as fast as he can to make shields, but he is short on iron ingots because the nearest smelter is in Stonehills and some odd character called Dragonborn keeps using his anvil, preventing him from getting work done.

3. All Imperial Battlemages in Skyrim were killed at Helgen by a dragon. Replacements have not yet arrived from the Imperial City, the Elder Council assures us that contrary to General Tullius' assertions, they are not "stopping every 5 feet to pick flowers and catch butterflies".

Aahaha, I loev this

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:23 pm

But kill animations r important11!!

Remember....they're trying to entice the CoD fanbase!

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:09 pm

Khajiiti in the legion would be considered traitors to their kind by their kin. The Khajiit are willing (unsuspecting) vassals to the Thalmor. The Redgard have seceded because the empire back-stabbed them to save it's own skin, so you'll be hard pressed to find a single Redgard who wants to fight in the legion. Instead the Redgard have formed their own military might which kicked Thalmor ass. The Orcs have other interests atm, as do most of the Dunmer. The Bretons.. They are more interested in the mages guild then in the legions, though the mages guild could very well pick up arms alongside the legions. So, what the Imperial Legion is (and should be!) left with is mostly Imperial and Nord recruits.

Orcs are frequently Legionnaires. The two orc smith siblings in Markarth are retired legionnaires, and I think one of the orc companions in one of the strongholds is a retired legionniare too. The Empire gave them refuge after New Orsinium got sacked and the orcs had yet another diaspora.

Madena, court mage for Dawnstar, is a breton and a retired Legion battlemage.

One of the Legion legates is a dunmer. One of the random farmer types you see roaming the country side saying they're gonna join up with the Legion is a dunmer.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:05 pm

1. For some strange reason, all new female recruits to the Imperial legion are being assigned to the Emporer's personal guard in Cyrodiil.

2. The smith in Solitude is working as fast as he can to make shields, but he is short on iron ingots because the nearest smelter is in Stonehills and some odd character called Dragonborn keeps using his anvil, preventing him from getting work done.

3. All Imperial Battlemages in Skyrim were killed at Helgen by a dragon. Replacements have not yet arrived from the Imperial City, the Elder Council assures us that contrary to General Tullius' assertions, they are not "stopping every 5 feet to pick flowers and catch butterflies".

LOL

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:41 pm

Question... When the Stormcloaks take over town guard duties in a captured Imperial city, are some of them female?

Yes, there are some.

I don't think it matters. Who cares?

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:29 pm

Yes, there are some.

I don't think it matters. Who cares?

Who you ask?

Those of us who find it odd that the supposedly egalitarian Imperial Legion has only male Imperials for nameless line troops and male Nords for town guard replacements.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 12:00 pm

Those of us who find it odd that the supposedly egalitarian Imperial Legion has only male Imperials for nameless line troops and male Nords for town guard replacements.

I think explanation behind the town guard replacements is there's only guard dialogue for Nords, like how Oblivion only had Imperial guard dialogue. This wasn't an issue in Morrowind due to the lack of voiceovers. Daggerfall only had Breton guards, (unless there are Redguard guards in Hammerfell, I don't know, haven't been across the bay yet) because of dialogue. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18CGW9P5Y9M"

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 5:41 pm

I understand that part... but none of the legion town guard replacers are women, while there are women in the Stormcloak town guard replacers, and in the Stormcloak towns' initial town guard.

It's just... conspicuously contrary to the supposed egalitarian Legion makeup.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 7:30 am

magic aint overpowered at all! my daedric sword does 250 damage

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:02 am

But kill animations r important11!!

Yes they are, i love getting one-hit killed by a dragon i already killed but didn't notice it yet :stare:

(Thank Obsidian for "tim", Obsidian because they first included it in New Vegas

)

The Legian camps remind me too much of that other Legions camps in FO-NV

Less crusified people, though

On topic, hard to say if this is one those things that was half-assed because of the rush or would it have been half-assed in any case :teehee:

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:25 am

Is the legion supposed to be more egalitarian than everyone else?

I would think what you're seeing in Skyrim are legions brought in from Cyrodiil, whereas the Stormcloaks could be locals and a broader cross section. You do hear about Angeline Morrard's daughter who was a local volunteer in the legion.

» Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:43 pm

magic aint overpowered at all! my daedric sword does 250 damage

I think it's clear what is overpowered here....