How to get the actual value when selling gear? : V

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:40 pm

Hi.

As the header says, I would like to get a hint on how to get the most value of something I want to sell.
Is it all about speech?

I use to collect most of the good gear I find in dungeons, but the actual money i get for it when I sell is not even half of the items value displayed when I look at it in my inventory.
It would have been nice if the displayed value for the weapon, armour, potion or whatever...would be the one i get when I sell it to any vendor.
I always upgrade improve it and also some enchanting to raise its value.

Do I need to fill something up with perks to get its actual value?

Thanks for any answer

/stefan

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:45 pm

You need to level speech and get the essential speech perks.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:11 pm

You can invest points into the speech tree.
You can also brew potions/enchant gear that make transactions more in your favor.
Thieves Guild Hat is a free item which improves this as well.
Improve weapons/armor and enchant before selling. It's true this doesn't change the relationship between wholesale/retail with the merchant, but it gets you some extra cash and allows you to skill up blacksmith/enchanting.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:38 pm

There's lots of way to increase your barter value: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Fortify_Barter

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:08 am

Did you try talking to mudcrabs or atronachs?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:21 pm

There are a few items what makes buying cheaper for you and selling more expensive for the merchant.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:55 pm

but the actual money i get for it when I sell is not even half of the items value displayed when I look at it in my inventory.

You need to accept that you sell at wholesale and buy at retail. So, you will always sell for less than the stated value of the item. As stated above, Speechcraft, and in particular the Perks that increase Merchant Money are key to getting the most gold for an item. However, even then, sell price will be a fraction of the stated value.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:15 am

Did you try talking to mudcrabs or scamps? :wink:

Fix'd. What Atronach could you ever talk to?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:06 pm

Fix'd. What Atronach could you ever talk to?

There are no scamps in Skyrim...

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:28 pm

There are no scamps in Skyrim...

No, but have you ever talked to an Atronach? As I have spoken to Scamps and Mudcrabs, but no Atronachs I felt it was my privelege to fix your post.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:24 pm

It was a (thinly) veiled hint at the components needed for a fortify barter potion.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:13 pm

No, but have you ever talked to an Atronach? As I have spoken to Scamps and Mudcrabs, but no Atronachs I felt it was my privelege to fix your post.

You don't understand. There are no scamps in Skyrim; I had to find a replacement. Mudcrabs, scamps, atronach normally don't have conversation.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:57 pm

You don't understand. There are no scamps in Skyrim; I had to find a replacement. Mudcrabs, scamps, atronach normally don't have conversation.

Oh, you meant it like that.
Well, atronachs are the closest if you need it to be Daedra. If not, I think Falmer or Nord children resemble the most.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:20 pm

Thanks!

Now i get a better understanding of this.
And it makes me to rather put valuable perks in other "trees" and just accept the lower price (the gold grows anyway).
It was just the curiosity about what the always higher shown value...now I know what it′s all about.

As always...helpfull ppl here :-)

/Stefan

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:17 am

It's a shame they got rid of Mercantile skill. I liked haggling for prices.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:01 pm

There are no scamps in Skyrim...

The only reason they used Scamps and Mudcrabs in Morrowind was when applying the Merchant function to them, they did not follow the rules of Mercantile, in other words gave full price. It is how I built a Merchant Dog for my home in Morrowind.

Now, the question becomes, does it work the same way in this game, to add the Merchant Function to a Beast......

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:04 pm

... Now, the question becomes, does it work the same way in this game, to add the Merchant Function to a Beast......

Maybe there is one or two, somewhere.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:28 pm

Maybe there is one or two, somewhere. :smile:

Something about the way you post leads me to believe you know more than you let on. Intentional?
Then again, half this thread confused the poor guy running my mind, mudcrabs and scamps were merchants in Morrowind? o0
Maybe there is one or two, somewhere... Is that implying somewhere in the base game is a beast merchant? 0o

Funny thread this haha.

Oh, and thank you for that .ini change in your sig ladyonthemoon.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:55 pm

Then again, half this thread confused the poor guy running my mind, mudcrabs and scamps were merchants in Morrowind? o0

Creeper in Caldera and then between Vivec and Seyda Neen was a Drunken Mudcrab on an island.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:49 pm

Something about the way you post leads me to believe you know more than you let on. Intentional? ...

Unfortunately, I know no more; I haven't run everywhere so far. I'm utterly unable to remember if there were such things in Oblivion too.

Creeper in Caldera and then between Vivec and Seyda Neen was a Drunken Mudcrab on an island.

Drunken? Really!?

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:42 am

Yes, his speech is slurred and he initially only sells booze, but he has 10,000 gold and will buy weapons and armor. He will also buy Skooma, but so will Creeper.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:23 pm

Yes, his speech is slurred and he initially only sells booze, but he has 10,000 gold and will buy weapons and armor. He will also buy Skooma, but so will Creeper.

Haha, yeah I know. That was hilarious when I met him for the first time.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:07 am

Well for starters the merchants always run out of gold before I'm done selling my loot anyway, so if I was getting a better price this would just be worse.

Second there is no need for more gold. It is so easy to get rich in this game that it is pathetic. If you are really broke you can just chop wood to make money.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:00 am

It's a shame they got rid of Mercantile skill. I liked haggling for prices.

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