Why is everyone in skyrim racist towards various species but when you are those species they don't care? like the khajiit aren't aloud in the cities but when you are one they let you in. and as a dunmer you aren't treated any different in windhelm.

Only khajiit caravanners aren't aloud in the cities but others are. And there are a few people in Windhelm that act hostile towards you if your a dunmer but not everyone.

Yeah that always bothered me, especially when I take my Khajiit/Argonian lisbian couple and move them into Windhelm and nobody cares.

Khajiit are brutal murderers, theives, rapists, pedophiles, and necropheliacs.


Thankfully.. most Khajiit ingame are friendly merchants. Personally.. it's my second favorite race.


But you would be right. Windhelm is the most racist city in Skyrim. Stormcloaks are so stubborn, that they believe they are the rightful heirs to Skyrim, and nobody else but a NORD should take place to rule Skyrim.

and when people talk about the khajiit and argonians they don't talk to you like you're one

Exactly.. so basically.. if you're character isn't a Nord in Windhelm, then you're fine, but everyone else is programmed to say that to an NPC.

Maybe a little unrealistic, but if it applied to you, then it would imbalance the race picking from the Character creation.

Name one Khajiit in a city.
J'Zargo is it, if you count the College as part of a city. Kinda easy to see why he's the exception, since Winterhold lacks walls, the entrance to the college is right there and they definitely lack prejudices of the rest of Skyrim.


What I don't understand is, EVERYBODY hates the Thalmor. EVERYBODY. But who gets banned in Windhelm? Argonians. Who gets harassed? Dark Elves. Who's nationally banned from entering the cities? Khajiit. The Altmer? No problem, let's let them live in Windhelm, Solitude, Winterhold, Falkreath etc and never think twice about it.
It's that kind of inconsistency I don't understand and can't forgive. It's INCREDIBLY bad writing. As a real world comparison, this would be as if Palestine called Israeli jews an enemy of the state, but then had no problem letting them live in Palestine and never thought twice about it. Meanwhile, they aggressively drive out russians, Chinese and Nigerians, and label the chinese as spies. It just makes no friggin' sense.

Thalmor and Altmer are not one in the same thing, just FYI.

Many Altmer openly despise Thalmor practices. There are many references to dissident Altmer in Skyrim. The Legate in the Rift for example.

Never saw thalmor in Windhelm.
Support Empire = admit Thalmors superiority (well, fake admition but still)
Suport Stormcloacks = admit racism.

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Basically there's no way to avoid being cynical in this game, unless you're neutral. XD.

Also, old warrior npc in Windhelm asked me am I racist like other stormcloaks. Well, I am khajit so I had option saying "yes, there is no place in Skyrim for people like me"

This is the one that really gets me. The Aldmeri Dominion is the one that attacked the Empire unprovoked. The Thalmor are the ones wandering about Skyrim arresting Nords and torturing them for loving Talos. And it's the Dark Elves that the Nords have a problem with?! What?! I encountered some racism directed at my character as a Dark Elf. I experienced zero with my Altmer.

Neither are Nazis and Germans, that still doesn't justify your suspicion that those Egyptian immigrants are Nazi spies when there are Germans STANDING RIGHT THERE in your town. Nor does it make sense to ban a race that has nothing against you while allowing another whose country you're currently at war with to freely roam the streets.
I'm not saying all the Altmer in Windhelm etc are infact spies or Thalmor themselves, but I'm saying it's only logical for a paranoid, racist Nord to lash out at the ALTMER, not some race that has jack [censored] to do with the Thalmor. And yet that's what they do. They LITERALLY walk around saying "I bet you're a spy you stupid Dark Elf! God I hate you so mu- Oh hey High elf! How you doin? Me? Nothing much, just telling off this THALMOR SPY! Damned elves, yknow what I'm sayin? Hahaha! See you at church!"

There is one in Riften (forget her name, cant find it on the wiki/useb) but she does only appear for a quest.

Besides just because there are no khajiit in the cities doesn't mean they can't be there.

Bingo! And she is thalmor spy, not that dark elves :s

The conclusion is everyone is either confused either do not care about it.

LMAO! THIS! So much!

The main quest?
She's an assassin. Understandable that she'd break in. And she's only very briefly in the city to make that assassination attempt; it's not like she'd been living there.

And what do you mean "doesn't mean they can't be there?" The Khajiit caravans will blatantly tell you they're not allowed in the cities. Ysolda will tell you khajiit aren't allowed in the cities. There's plenty of evidence suggesting they're not welcome, and little to none suggesting they are.


Another piece of inconsistency: the Nords seem to show ignorance about who the Khajiit are. The carriage drivers imply they've never seen Khajiit before (again, brilliant writing Bethesda. Let's make THE GUYS WHO ARE CONSTANTLY TRAVELING THE ROADS, JUST LIKE THE KHAJIIT CARAVANS have no idea what the Khajiit are), then the next second the Khajiit are banned from all cities because of "reputation." Sooooo...do the Nords know about the Khajiit or not?

Of course they aren't aloud in the cities, they aren't allowed into them

Grammar policing aside, the khajiit caravaners aren't allowed into the cities, most likely because they sell illegal things (Moon Sugar and Skooma). No one ever tries prevent player khajiit entering to the cities, which suggests it's not the race that is banned, but certain individuals.

But yes, overall the reactions to player characters race are quite disapponting.

if you talk to some people in various towns and the khajiit merchants you'll find they are seen as petty scum by the nords and aren't allowed in the cities as a result.

You keep saying this and yet not one Khajiit in all of Skyrim can be found in a city. Again, J'Zargo is at the College, which may or may not be viewed as "in the city," since Winterhold seems to like to distance itself from the College.

Why are you believing your own baseless theory when all in-game lore, dialog and evidence suggests the opposite? Let's get real here: your player character is allowed in the cities out of laziness, because the devs couldn't be bothered to give the races unique interactions. Nothing more.

As far as i can remember all of those refer to the caravans.

Go talk to Ysolda, and again, why are there 0 (ZERO) Khajiit in the cities if that only refers to the caravans?
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Category:Skyrim-Khajiit

Not a single one in a city. More interestingly, read up on J'datharr specifically.

Hmmm. Could of sworn I heard/read some sort of dialogue stating that the caravaners and other khajiits are treated differently. But I wouldn't say the one in Riften "snuck in" as she can just walk around Riften and not be questioned by guards or other npcs.

Where do you see her walking around talking to guards?
Again, can we stop with the baseless speculation? Let's see some evidence that Khajiit are allowed in cities.

The game is just poorly written, simple as that. From the racism right down to the Thalmor thinking that employing the Khajiit as assassins, who are ironically banned from the cities while the High Elves aren't, is a pro idea.

I agree with you that the game lacks in the "written" department and more depth is needed...but don't make the mistake to search for logic in a fantasy world like this.

Depth and choices with plausible consequences are one thing,'cause add immersion,but sincerely the fact that we don't have Khajiit in the "cities" is marginal to me and can easily be explained as a strict choice,even more because of their native land/climate.

Sure,we have superficial writing and Khajiit merchants that are not allowed to enter the "cities" ; but just think if you as the Dragonborn were not allowed too for "logical reasons"..it will have implied a re-written of the main quest only for the Khajiit players..so a compromise was inevitable i think.

Or perhaps Bethesda should have invented a "special pass" for the Khajiit dragonborn

But at this point i think that would have been more simple and "logical" allow them to enter the cities, even if treated like scum from the majority of "rude" nords.