does anyone know for the new perk trees if you have to lvl up your complete lvl to upgrade a perk or do you just use the transformation to unlock perks in that perk tree

You acquire perks for each of them from performing special actions, such as feeding. They most likely won't affect your overall level.

I believe they are entirely seperate from normal levelling/perks.

feeding and generally using your abilities as a beast will get you more perks for werewolves/vampires

ok i was wondering beacause i no-lifed one account and got to lvl 81 and it would svck if i had to make a new account just for the new perk trees

Anyone have screenshots of the Werewolf one? I've seen the Vamp one, and the perk tree looks awesome for it, but so far I've only heard that the Werewolves will be getting one... not an actual pic of what it'll look like.

http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS442US443&biw=1745&bih=863&tbm=isch&tbnid=-8eCnFMbs4qYyM:&imgrefurl=http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/06/06/new-werewolf-abilities-revealed-from-skyrim-dawnguard-dlc/&docid=WUKEIZhQXf0ZzM&imgurl=http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-content/uploads/new-werewolf-perk-tree-skyrim.jpg&w=600&h=325&ei=jTfQT_eTOqPg2AXz7YmuDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=389&vpy=173&dur=566&hovh=165&hovw=305&tx=116&ty=92&sig=112227634881265634112&page=1&tbnh=153&tbnw=207&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:77
and
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1C1GGGE_enUS442US443&biw=1745&bih=863&tbm=isch&tbnid=eS_SFOp-BE5ECM:&imgrefurl=http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/724634/elder-scrolls-dawnguard-dlc-features-werewolf-perk-tree/&docid=fESqkQ6NDmnXMM&imgurl=http://cache.g4tv.com/ImageDb3/301215_S/elder-scrolls-dawnguard.png&w=600&h=301&ei=jTfQT_eTOqPg2AXz7YmuDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=165&vpy=176&dur=2357&hovh=159&hovw=317&tx=155&ty=55&sig=112227634881265634112&page=1&tbnh=104&tbnw=207&start=0&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:74

Oh, thanks. That's nice.

Heh, I love the silent treatment they got when asked about 'Frost Elves'. IIRC, those are the Falmer, aren't they?