help with achery? : V

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:18 pm

I cannot understand how everyone has been saying how archery is overpowered, whenever i have tried playing a pure archer, even with a splash of conjuration i end up getting my butt handed to me by most enemies (not playing master).

What i would like to know is, how does one make archery so powerful? i know the restoration exploit but i won't use that. is it based on enchant/smithing?

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:53 am

The overpowered feeling comes with a combination of perks and enchanted gear. Take a sneak shot with the Deadly Aim perk, with gear that fortifies your Archery skill, and you one-shot almost everything on master. Even easier while using Eagle Eye and Steady Hand. You don't even have to enchant your gear yourself. Just using the stock enchanted stuff (like Ring of Peerless Archery) that you find in shops and chests will have the same result.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:26 pm

My bow is roughly as strong as my one handed weapons, but that's with all 5 perks boosting one handed, versus the 1 in archery so I could get the zoom feature. I imagine my bows would be twice as powerful as my one handed weapons if I went for all the perks in Archery.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:52 am

I play as a sneaky archer who occasionally uses swords and does not use enchantments on weapons, but will use enchanted armor if he finds it. Two of the enchants on my clothing raise my damage for archery and I use an ebony bow. Most of the time I'll get the 3x sneak bonus so he's a pretty powerfull guy, even though he only uses steel arrows. I can take down most of the more powerful enemies in the game with ease, unless there are like more than three of them.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:12 am

One-hit kill slow motion ranged attack with sneak damage and a fast fire rate.... Yes, a developed archer can do very well indeed.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:55 pm

thank you all. ill get into re-attempting this build with an argonian. the health regen should help me out surviving the earlier levels with him.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:11 am

Get a legendary smithed daedric bow, from then on you can stealth hit dragons and kill em in like 8 shots.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:46 pm

I have two pieces of gear with fortify archery 40% each and use an unenchanted Forsworn bow fully smithed and one hit anything except dragons, but even they only take a couple. I purposely don't enchant my weapons cause I'm tired of recharging. Have the full archery perk tree as well. I don't use archery that much anymore cause it almost feels like cheating.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:57 am

I have two pieces of gear with fortify archery 40% each and use an unenchanted Forsworn bow fully smithed and one hit anything except dragons, but even they only take a couple. I purposely don't enchant my weapons cause I'm tired of recharging. Have the full archery perk tree as well. I don't use archery that much anymore cause it almost feels like cheating.

I prefer alchemy over enchanting,with no smithing.
This way I can make fortify archery potions and only use them when I really need them.
I also get poisons,resist potions and all kinds of other affects.
With all alchemy can give,you can get multiple play styles with just one character.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:54 pm

just thought of something, are there any weakness to(damage type here) enchantments in skyrim? i think i've only seen poisons that have it

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:18 pm

Once I unlocked the perks slow down time, chance to stagger, and chance to paralyze enemy, and reached level 100... I can literally kill any dragon with 5-10 arrows using a Long Bow and Iron Arrows, let alone ANY lesser enemy with less than or equal to 3 arrows..... on Expert.

Oh wait, I forgot I had a ring, hood, and necklace with 25% damage bonus for archery. :ninja:

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:51 am

Part (perhaps most)of the "overpowered" connotation given to archery really comes from sneak.

The simple fact of the matter is that once you've beefed up sneak, you practically end up a ghost. Enemies will walk and stand right beside you, and often see nothing. Because of that, archery ends up pretty much the "strongest" form of attack.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:51 pm

Part (perhaps most)of the "overpowered" connotation given to archery really comes from sneak.

The simple fact of the matter is that once you've beefed up sneak, you practically end up a ghost. Enemies will walk and stand right beside you, and often see nothing. Because of that, archery ends up pretty much the "strongest" form of attack.

funny i never thought of it that way, i always just thought the daggers would overshadow all things stealth striking

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:10 pm

First post!, anyways at first I found archery fairly lack luster, but level it up and getting sneak up as well will make you an unstoppable force from the shadows (once sneak is high enough even in middle of a well lit room), the two skills go hand and hand.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:25 pm

i would offer you a fishy stick but i know not their meaning. thank you everyone for your input!

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:30 am

i would offer you a fishy stick but i know not their meaning. thank you everyone for your input!

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/General:Fishy_Stick

I'll let one of the vets have the honors of bestowing it.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:37 pm

Do the grind, get all the perks for it, Go sneak mode, Daedric Bow, multiple armor enchantments, 1 hit, 1 kill.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:22 am

I prefer alchemy over enchanting,with no smithing.
This way I can make fortify archery potions and only use them when I really need them.
I also get poisons,resist potions and all kinds of other affects.
With all alchemy can give,you can get multiple play styles with just one character.

Although I'm fully aware of the extreme benefits of alchemy I just can't bring myself to do it. Alchemy is the only part of the entire game I find boring and have no interest in whatsoever. Which kinda svcks and I have tried many times I just can't ever find any fun in it. The only reason I ever leveled it was to reach level 81 and those couple days felt like months!!! I just keep multiple armor sets on me and switch depending on in game circumstances.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:27 am

Do the grind, get all the perks for it, Go sneak mode, Daedric Bow, multiple armor enchantments, 1 hit, 1 kill.

should i go all the way through the sneak tree also? minus dagger perk oc

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:21 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/General:Fishy_Stick

I'll let one of the vets have the honors of bestowing it.

i have been enlightened this day. seems a more vet forum goer thing than one as low as i.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:12 am

I use exactly that, archery with conjuration and I play on master.

If you use smithing and create a good bow and couple that with a high sneak skill, you're basically invincible. Not because you can soak up damage but because nobody even gets close enough to touch you. If you're a low level archer you'll get killed easily if you don't have the right perks, the ability to move fast and draw your arrows quicker are a must if you plan to march into open combat and win with a bow. If you play sneaky, get the extra sneak damage perk and invest in poisons via alchemy.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:56 am

Get fortify archery enchantments. My bow or gear isn't even that good and my bow does around 300 damage, in large part because of said enchantments.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:21 am

funny i never thought of it that way, i always just thought the daggers would overshadow all things stealth striking

Someone made a good post comparing best daggers vs best maces for sneaking. If I remember correctly the maces (with 1h perks) came out on top, even with the DB gloves.

That being off topic, I play a sneak archer and overpower everything in expert. 1 shot a majority of monsters besides dragons. If you get to 100 sneak and don't kill them then you just run to a shadowy area, destealth and rest stealth and you pretty much vanish to the enemy (unless he is on top of you). Or conversely if you finish the nightingale quest, you can actually vanish once a day.

» Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:13 pm

I can't remember how many of the Archery Perks I picked, (three or four Overdraw and the Steady Aim), but I did end up with four Archery Enchanted items of apparel, (35%, 30%, 20% and 20%, all found, none created by me), an Ebony Bow (Legendary). and with the 1.5 glitch where better arrows gave too much additional damage, I was hitting 550 hit point when sneaking. Would've been over 800 had I known to get the Deadly Aim Perk in the Sneak Tree. So yes, way overpowered.