i'm sure alot of you have played through skyrim. My challenge to you now, is to make a landmass 1/10th of the size of the map, with 2 fully levelled and scripted quest chains with 10 fully voiced npc's each, multiple unrelated and unique dungeons, 3 towns with interiors to match, flavour npc's (also voiced and scripted), full loot tables for a level 1 newb all the way up to level 81 demigod, random wildeness encounters and a 3 tune soundtrack. All with minimal bugs.

Then once you've done all that, remember that everything you used to create that landmass used assests already created by bethesda. Be thankful you didn't have to code the engine or the toolset, or unique character/beast/weapons/armour models and textures.

Then once that's set in, I want you to tell me how Bethesda (or any games company) are 'lazy', 'stupid', 'ignorant' or whatever insults you are so quick to hurl around.

Sure, every game has it's flaws/bugs. In a game as huge in scope as Skyrim a few are bound to pop up. (I'll honest, in the 300 hours I've played I've found one bug. ONE.) But if what you do find compels you to rage on the forums just remember the work that went in. Ask yourself 'could I do any better? Could I do anything even half as good?'. If you answered yes to either of those questions (I've seen what you modders can do and in some instances I'd agree) and you still need to criticise, be constructive. Point out exactly the situation, and the conditions in which the situation arised. Don't rage at and insult the devs like they owe you. They don't. You paid for a game, and you got one. You're entitled to patches. You're not entitled to make demands. You're not entitled to be a spoiled brat.

Want to what the bug I found was? When exiting the 'enchant' menu, sometimes I'll get stuck to the table and be unable to move. Do i rage? No, I reload and try again. [censored] happens - I deal with it and move on. You should too.

/rant off
/cast flameshield

You don't need to be an engineer to know the bridge collapsed.

I can easily excuse bugs, flaws, and glitches if they are small, benign, amusing, and/or rare. I cannot excuse them if they are common, gamebreaking, and/or deliberate. Skyrim has the former - which is fine - but it has too many of the latter - which is not.

care to make a list? my game doesn't even crash

Don't have time presently for a list, but the interface is a good example.

I'm a spoiled brat for expressing grievances with a shoddy PS3 port? I will admit though that some brats are a bit more civilized with discourse.


Thanks for the insight, supermark!

Complaining about complaints isn't productive, as the ensuing discussion has demonstrated. The, "can you do better" argument is also more than a little provocative. I'm glad you're enjoying Bethesda but threads like this cause far more problems than they solve, despite your intentions otherwise.