Volkihar: First Vampire Clan? : V

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:57 am

So here's a question for you lore buffs out there, do you believe the Volkihar were the first vampire clan?
Lets look at some facts and theories to support this claim:

As we know Molag Bal is the Father vampires, if so then surely Lamae Bal would be the Mother of Vampires: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Opusculus_Lamae_Bal_ta_Mezzamortie
It clearly States that Lamae Beolfag was of the nedic Peoples, one of the theories is that the Nedic people were the Proto-Nords that arrived from Atmora as detailed in here http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Nedic though there are other theories.
If it is indeed true that the Nedic People were of Atmoran Descent, it may be that she settled in Skyrim either Pre or During Ysgramor's Exodus and that after her transformation she sired Vampires from the local populace of Nedic and Snow Elven People during her rampages who became the First of her brood, the intermingled blood of the Nord's Famed resistance to cold mixed with the snow Elves potent matery over ice based magic would fit the lore based description of the Volkihar.

So what do you think?
Agree?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:49 pm

It's plausible.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:35 am

It is possible. We will definetly find out more about the "Volkihar" in Dawnguard. And with the information on the new "Daughters of Coldharbour", we will see a relation between the "pure" vampires and Molag Bal.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:45 pm

I hope that Dawnguard adds Volkihar to the regular landmass of Skyrim, not the Master Volkihar you find in caves but the generic "grabs you from under the lake with magic" kind. That would scare the living crap out of people!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:49 am

But is the Volkihars the supreme Vampire species?
Because when you get around level 40, the boss vampires are all named Volkihar something.
Is that because that clan is the strongest, or just because its the one clan that rule in Skyrim??
If its because of Skyrim, then why even bother calling them Volkihar?
just wondering..

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:18 am

Who knows? Do you think Lamae called herself a Volikhar?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:40 pm

In the in-game book it says that when she was molested by Molag Bal that it created the Shrieking Winds that still make noise in some parts of Skyrim so I think it's safe to say it happened in Skyrim. Which in turn makes it safe to say that the volkihars are te first vampire clan. It only makes sense that the oldest calm would be the most powerful as detailed in Immortal Blood.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:08 am

In the in-game book it says that when she was molested by Molag Bal that it created the Shrieking Winds that still make noise in some parts of Skyrim so I think it's safe to say it happened in Skyrim. Which in turn makes it safe to say that the volkihars are te first vampire clan. It only makes sense that the oldest calm would be the most powerful as detailed in Immortal Blood.

Makes sense.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:29 pm

Perhaps the Nedic people became the first vampires (no clan name as they were original), then as they spread around Tamriel and adapted the strains "mutated" given us the clans that there are today..
Perhaps they were one of the earliest clans , but maybe not the first .. Infact if it wasnt for the "Castel Volhikar" i'd say the VLs from the Dawnguard were part of the "Original Vampires" , infact i still sort of think that thats what they are and not Volhikar vampires

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:13 pm

Possibly.
They are definately one of the strongest Vampire Clans, maybe even the Strongest.
Their abilities surpass most other Clans of Vampires.
Due to their power, it's possible that they're the first. As the saying goes, "With age comes great Wisdom, in turn, Power."

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:09 pm

i like it

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:33 am

Different clans are so different, I don't quite believe they are descendants of Molag Bal - Lamae Beolfag ehm.. union. It's possible that some clans originate from different sources.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:54 am

It is possible. We will definetly find out more about the "Volkihar" in Dawnguard. And with the information on the new "Daughters of Coldharbour", we will see a relation between the "pure" vampires and Molag Bal.

Daughters of coldharbour?

Different clans are so different, I don't quite believe they are descendants of Molag Bal - Lamae Beolfag ehm.. union. It's possible that some clans originate from different sources.

Not necessarily, it could be that the vampire clans over the years have made deals with various sources in exchange for different abilities, the most obvious example of this is the Cyrodil Order which made a pact with Clavicus Vile for the ability to appear human.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:33 pm

Not necessarily, it could be that the vampire clans over the years have made deals with various sources in exchange for different abilities, the most obvious example of this is the Cyrodil Order which made a pact with Clavicus Vile for the ability to appear human.

Whoa, I totally did not know that

Where is this info coming from? Some ingame book I missed?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:28 pm

It is possible. We will definetly find out more about the "Volkihar" in Dawnguard. And with the information on the new "Daughters of Coldharbour", we will see a relation between the "pure" vampires and Molag Bal.

Sure they are Volkihar? Isnt it just the castle that is called volkihar

But well.. Would be kinda stupid to have that name on your castle if its not populated by volkihar vampires.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:26 am

Daughters of coldharbour?

Yes, mentioned in an article. We don't know much about them.

Whoa, I totally did not know that :ohmy:

Where is this info coming from? Some ingame book I missed?

Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampryum.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:49 am

Seems likely, but the Nedec people were also prototypes for the Imperials in some way. Vampires are also incredibly different in different area's oft he world. Morrowind, Skyrim, Cyrodiil, High Rock, Hammerfall, Valenwood whatever. Maybe they all came from one source but if that's the case then I would rather call this Vampire the mother of all different species. It seems more likely that she would spread the disease across the different continents or perhaps Molag Bal appeared more then once to do the same trick then the alternative of this clan mutating into all the other one's.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:15 am

Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampryum.

Thanks. It looks like this book only appears in Vile Lair DLC. Haven't played it.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:13 pm

Thanks. It looks like this book only appears in Vile Lair DLC. Haven't played it.

It is not tied to the Vile Lair, rather, it explains more about the Cyrodiilic vampires and their strict structures.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:22 am

Aren't the Volkihar vampires paranoid loners? Seems pretty weird that they'd be the ancestor clan that the other ones descended from, how in the hell did they build that castle?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:24 am

Aren't the Volkihar vampires paranoid loners? Seems pretty weird that they'd be the ancestor clan that the other ones descended from, how in the hell did they build that castle?

could be that they are isolationist and the other clans wanted to expand thus causing them to break up. The Volkihar clan would be more pure since they are so selective of who goes in and out and the other clans not as much.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:55 am

Sure they are Volkihar? Isnt it just the castle that is called volkihar :smile:

But well.. Would be kinda stupid to have that name on your castle if its not populated by volkihar vampires.

I'm under the impression that Castle Volkihar, and the Volkihar vampires in general, are named after the first of their kind. If that's the case, it would still be called Castle Volkihar long after this original vampire was run out of the area or killed by his enemies.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:08 pm

This one just ran into a cave with Volkihar vampires. Much more powerful than Vampire Masters. In fact there was a Volkihar Vampire Master just to spice things up even more.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:50 am

quite plausible very good info gathering.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:22 am

I am inclined to agree with you, because to me this makes sense.