Shadow Warrior and spell absorption : V

» Wed May 30, 2012 2:08 am

just thought I'd post a public service annoucnement

I was watching a video of ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KETNiqHg0oM trying to get some tips on how to better use the perk because I was having sooo much trouble. like the perk never works for me. I'll only go invisible like once every 5 or 6 attempts. And this guy was out there in broad daylight popping in and out of visibility like nobodies buisness.

Anyway, it occured to me the % chance of success for me, seemed very close to my spell absorption, so I removed my spell absorption perks and atronach birthsign thingy - and lo and behold... shadow warrior works every time now without fail. - Apparently, spell absorption absorbs the shadow warrior spell effect

Just thought i should share the discovery for all the other frustrated would be ninjas out there

» Tue May 29, 2012 1:02 pm

Thanks for the tip, I've been working towards that one on my assassin. That's a bummer though, I was thinking about taking the Atronach alteration perk, but now I'm siding against it. Hopefully this will get fixed in subsequent patches.

» Tue May 29, 2012 9:39 pm

Here is my experience with MA from another thread.

My personal built is Breton with a natural (ie naked) 70MR and 80MA. It has effectively 94% magic damage reduction without wasting a single enchantment slot. A chance-based all or nothing defense works if you have a huge enough health pool and high MR to start with.

The key application of MA is to ignore EFFECTS. Getting hit by ice spears will slow you down even if you only take 15% damage due to MR. A 15% Unrelenting or Disarm still does it's important effects, namely knock you down and knock your weapon away. Those effects do not apply if you successfully negate all damage and effects.

Of course MA is buggy as hell. Most summons will fail. These includes:

1. Conjuration spells: Summon dremora Lord, unbounded dremora, atronarchs, a certain wizard's shade and wolves, exploding or otherwise.
2. Shouts: Call of Valor
3. Greater powers: Summon spectral assassin.
4. Perks: Shadow Warrior

Sufficient to say, if you are a frail wizard in a dress or someone who enjoys the company of ghosts, MA is not for you.

For mages, I found that the restoration master spell Guardian Circle triggers spell absorption while standing in it, providing you endless magicka while the spell is in effect. It doesn't really make up for spell absorption messing your summons and is not useful if you have zero cost spells, but if your particular playstyle demands no having both, this piece of information might be useful. Besides, you have to try it atleast once to see how cool it is in conjunction with lightning storm.

» Tue May 29, 2012 1:34 pm

Here is my experience with MA from another thread.
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Yeah, I concur. I've switched over to the lord sign for the 25% MR instead of MA, not quite as good but still magic-countering.

Oblivion had this issue with some of it's spells and they were NEVER fixed... so I don't hold much hope

» Tue May 29, 2012 9:22 pm

Is this the one that you get from Nocturnal? If so then it has never worked for me and I only have a 15% magic resistance

» Tue May 29, 2012 3:49 pm

Is this the one that you get from Nocturnal? If so then it has never worked for me and I only have a 15% magic resistance

No it's the rank 100 stealth perk. It allows you to turn invisible momentarily by crouching during combat - it can be used to confuse enemies by jumping into a shadow - crouching, and rolling deeper into the shadow so they lose you and begin searching. Or you can use it to try force a sneak attack in plain sight by ducking, attacking and then dodging out the way if that didn't do the job.

Unfortunatly, spell absorption breaks it (it absorbs the invisibility effect)

» Tue May 29, 2012 6:45 pm

wierd. I have no spell absorbtion, but I really really vary on how much it works.

sometimes, in dark places, it works almost every time,.

then I was fighting a falmer, one on one, assuming it would gack him, and I did it 6 times and died. it never worked.

i find it does not work as well in light. but it still does sometimes.

» Tue May 29, 2012 9:10 pm

Only self-absorbing spell effect I can think of in Oblivion was Telekinesis which had its uses in Atronach builds, but this seems bothersome. Master difficulty pure mages almost require summons and absorbtion screws atronachs? Boo.