[Mizz.Jayy]

I've been a passive aggressive love/hate relationship with Beth since Arena

Yowza!... 17 1/2 years!

[Lynette Wilson]

He's not saying constructive criticism is a bad thing. He's saying trolls and whiners have taken over the forums, and they have. By my logic that's because the rest of us are too busy playing the game to come here and troll on a regular basis.

I will say this about the patch though....They fixed several "rare" bugs that didn't really effect the overall gameplay, and neglected several bugs that were far more important imo. Such as the bug I ran into on my assassin that won't allow me to complete the Thieves Guild. That is more game breaking than some of the nonsense they patched....with the exception of the PS3 file size bug obviously. They did a wonderful job on this game and I love it, I think they could have done better on the patch but I still support them as a company. Not "blindly", but I support them.

If they ever turn into Bioware/EA then I'll stop following them altogether.

the sad thing is thats exactly the road bethesda is heading down and people are too busy with their noses up bethesdas butts to see it.

[DAVId MArtInez]

It's like people have never played an open world game before. Skyrim has probably had the least amount of bugs or the same as any open world game. If Bethesda didn't release or intend to release this patch, everyone would be moaning about them not releasing the patch. Bethesda have made a fantastic game, enjoyable and I haven't noticed that many bugs before and after 1.2. Except people disappearing, but I can deal with that.

Think about Two Worlds the bugs in that. You didn't see much of a fan base as big as Skyrim has and apparently Skyrim has the most amount of bugs. It seems only to be this site that has more negative feedback than positive.

[Charles Weber]

I can stomach complaining and constructive criticism, it really is the way forward. And when its presented in a clear, concise, informed and supportive way, a pleasure for people to read and discuss. Maybe it can help steer Beth away from areas we dont want them to go to. But the majority of threads act as if Beth has just sold them an empty box. The degree of ungratefulness and sense of self-entitlement is mind-boggling. All I can really ask is who else is giving you an interactive experience on this level with this degree of detail, complexity and magnitude?

Not many studios I can think of.

[Pat RiMsey]

Meric said it perfectly.

[Tina Tupou]

I can stomach complaining and constructive criticism, it really is the way forward. And when its presented in a clear, concise, informed and supportive way, a pleasure for people to read and discuss. Maybe it can help steer Beth away from areas we dont want them to go to. But the majority of threads act as if Beth has just sold them an empty box. The degree of ungratefulness and sense of self-entitlement is mind-boggling. All I can really ask is who else is giving you an interactive experience on this level with this degree of detail, complexity and magnitude?

Not many studios I can think of.

skyrim is the only ps3 game that i have bought that im not able to currently play. buying a game then a couple weeks later it quits working because of a patch is ridiculous. should i thank them for that interactive experience?

[Matt Bigelow]

might be a bit shocking but...complaints are how you support a game, by telling the devs what they got wrong (i'll give you the threads around here have a lot of extra insults to weed through, but it is still feed back), devs WANT complaints (or should, from what iv heard they ignored the complaints with the patch and added a fix for things noone was complaining about)

There's a big difference between constructive criticism and negative whining. The former warrants discussion. The latter, not so much.

[Josh Sabatini]

Bethesda's ability to fix issues and patch games absolutely svcks and it always has been.

But they make the games I like and with the exception of horse armour, they have not tried anything underhanded to milk more money out of their fanbase. They are definitely one of the better game developers, so they get my support.

[kyle pinchen]

I agree that the devs should hear the complaints but is it too much to ask for the complainer to be advlt about it and deliver the complaint in a civil manner.

Actually I think Beth would prefer some constructive criticism rather than the usual rants/whines that we see here. Is it really that hard to communicate your issues in a mature manner? I mean, people will take you more seriously...

Bingo. Maturity and civility go a long way. Not to mention proper grammar, spelling, and a bit of punctuation.

I'm playing on Xbox 360 and I have encountered very few bugs/glitches. This does not excuse the fact that many people have suffered horrendous problems with the game, and we have heard those complaints ad nauseum. I have no problem with people voicing their concerns and pointing out things that need to be fixed. Its the developer's responsibility to ensure the quality of their products. However when every thread is basically "why u no fixes my magik tod howerd!" it just gets old.

I do wish Bethesda was more active in addressing things on these forums. It would go a long way to seeing that they are actively listening to their consumers' feedback. Yet I support Bethesda and I am willing to patiently wait for solutions and fixes to the problems, because they have made the best and my favorite video games in my 32 years of playing.

Now fix my weapon racks in Breezehome! They don't work! I want to display my Sanguine Rose!

[Jamie Lee]

skyrim is the only ps3 game that i have bought that im not able to currently play. buying a game then a couple weeks later it quits working because of a patch is ridiculous. should i thank them for that interactive experience?

By this do you mean completly unplayable or buggy unplayable?

[Milagros Osorio]

By this do you mean completly unplayable or buggy unplayable?

i mean it freezes up my ps3 when i start up the game.

[Marcia Renton]

I love bethesda. Always will. I spent forever updating Morrowind(on PC) again an again and it was fine. Any game that I can still enjoy for 100 plus hours(with bugs) is a godsend. I'd rather have a rich game that has some issues than a boring ten hour corridor crawler anyday.

[Michelle Chau]

This thread seems... Almost... Unnatural!

[D IV]

Skyrim is the best game ever made. Thank you, Bethesda! The Elder Scrolls is actually my favorite fantasy fiction ever - not just video games, but books also.

[luis dejesus]

i mean it freezes up my ps3 when i start up the game.

Isn't there a way to delete patches by going into settings or something similar? I mainly use PC or Xbox, so I am not sure the exact location. Sorry if I am completly wrong.

[Nathan Hunter]

The only reason people complain is because they love this game so much, lol. Face it, if people didn't want to play it so bad, they wouldn't be so pissed when the game is buggy or not working. I have fought through a couple bugs but now have a close to perfect game, and I can't complain one bit. In fact it is the best game I have ever played, and I have played a lot of games! Forcing updates through Steam could cause some of the issues as well, might want to lay off on that in the future. At least then people can gradually get patches and not be forced into a bug.

Bethesda, keep doing what you do because it is awesome in my book!

It's true i love this game so much but when the game break our immersion people need to complain in some place and well the only way of being heard is if we sound dramatics i just have a little complain ... i'm a bard and i can't play musical instruments? ... why?

i still love Bethesda but constructive criticism is not bad either

[Add Me]

Isn't there a way to delete patches by going into settings or something similar? I mainly use PC or Xbox, so I am not sure the exact location. Sorry if I am completly wrong.

there probably is but i really dont think skyrim is worth risking corrupting my hd and losing all of my other games data.

[StunnaLiike FiiFii]

HEAR HEAR!!!

Or something like htat. But I completely agree.

[Kelvin Diaz]

I think that many people on the forums are being overly critical of Bethesda. Skyrim is a large game, and there are bound to be some problems. I accept that.

On the other hand, doing the exact opposite isn't helping anyone either. Telling Bethesda they're doing a fantastic job when they just released an issue-causing patch doesn't seem constructive to me.

I think that people need a more balanced approach here. Screaming and throwing a tantrum like an eight year old child isn't going to get your game fixed any faster. Smiling and barraging the developers with compliments isn't going to help, either.

If we could all step back a moment, breathe, and act like mature advlts, I'm sure we would all benefit from it. Calmly tell the developers the problems we're experiencing, and they, without fear of being overwhelmed with insults and pages of curse words, could open a dialogue with the fans.

Moderation, my friends. Moderation.

[Jason White]

While i agree theres some serious problems i think people should be more patient, the patch hasn't been out that long and i believe all the problems and bugs have been reported and hopefully bethesda will begin working on a patch soon.

[Mélida Brunet]

I support Bethesda, they've made some amazing games that I've spend hundreds of hours in over the years.

I don't support releasing games with a ton of bugs in them. Whether or not you support Bethesda, doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye to some very clear issues with their games.

I'm a little disheartened by the attitude of a lot of gamers these days. It's like they expect to get bug ridden games that were rushed out the door to early. Just because we live in a day with Internet capable consoles, and services like Steam, allowing games to be patched and updated, doesn't mean it's ok for a company to release buggy software that takes weeks to months to be patched into an acceptable experience for the vast majority of it's users. I agree some people are going over the edge and do need to chill out a bit, there's more to life than Skyrim and while it certainly svcks to pay $60 for a piece of bug ridden software that you might not be able to even use, filing reports with the BBB and threatening legal action isn't going to get you anywhere. However, people shouldn't just turn a blind eye to it and say "Ohwell, I don't mind waiting a month or so for you to do things that should have already been done.", which seems like an equally ridiculous reaction that's just on the other end of the spectrum.

Bugs happen, especially in wide open, free-roaming games like the ones Bethesda makes. But some of these issues, like many of the UI ones, are universal and very obvious and never should have been allowed into the final product. While I haven't experienced any major crashing or lag issues on my PC copy, I do feel there are way to many console users suffering game breaking issues. I'm used to seeing a ton of crashing and lag reports for any PC, but to see so many on consoles which have fixed hardware that Bethesda has had a chance to work with for 6+ years now says to me they did a poor job of testing these game before releasing it.

[Jordan Fletcher]

This games incredible, i've yet to find a single game breaking bug and yet all the spoilt pc douchbags wont stop complaining, bethesda did an incredible job and they are seriously the best game developer in the world.

[Markie Mark]

While i agree theres some serious problems i think people should be more patient, the patch hasn't been out that long and i believe all the problems and bugs have been reported and hopefully bethesda will begin working on a patch soon.

be patient? these issues should have been fixed well before launch. then the patch to fix them makes it worse is inexcusable. when you hire someone to fix your house and they do shoddy work do you be patient and hope they redo their shoddy work on their own? no. you raise hell until they fix it. they didnt give us this game for free we paid for it. if this was some free to play game that would be one thing, but its not. it would be one thing if it were some minor issues, but skyrim has some major(some of them gamebreaking) issues.

[Angus Poole]

Look at my join date....'02...you would be hard pressed to find another user registered on these forums here longer than I have been. I have been a fan and supporter of Bethesda and the TES games since Arena. I have modded small and large projects for just about every TES and FO game.
Bethesda has given me countless hours of enjoyment with the ability to create my own content in sandbox environments...and for that I thank them. TES and FO games have been my hobby for years.

Bethesda has my support to the tune of a 150$ collectors edition in the latest franchise release of Skyrim.

Bugs, pitfalls and patches are to be expected of Bethesda products. Their history speaks for itself. Daggerfall was the worst, imo, but even that was "fixed" to be playable eventually. The later TES games and FO series for PC have had even betetr fortune with the modding community fixing/enhancing what was needed. SKYRIM will be fixed. Eitehr by Bethesda (Not quite as likely) or by modders (More than likely).


However, tho I have been and am a supporter of this series, always on the PC platform, I will say I am not a at all enamored by the direction Bethesda has taken with Skyrim for PC users.

The advent of "Steam" DRM doesn't sit well with me....especially after paying 150$ for a hard copy of the game. Forced autoupdates do not sit well with me, even with autoupdate turned off..STEAM force downloaded a DRM .exe "patch" That was a big "no-no" in my book.
And since I was not in "offline" mode in STEAM...This latest broken "patch" was also downloaded and auto-installed...and as it turns out, this patch has issues (The broken magicka resists IS game crippling as it affects not only the PC but every creature in the game)

A user should chose IF and WHEN they wish to install an update, not at a third party such as STEAM. Yeah, I can (and have) revert back to previous versions,,,but I shouldn't have to.

Forced internet connectivity for activation is an annoyance. Whatever happened to serial number activation? Its cheaper and just as (In)effective at preventing piracy.

Third party software running in the background on any gaming rig is aggravating unless I choose to have it running. I don't like being told what I have to run as in STEAM.

The "half-(insert anatomy part)" console port of Skyrim to PC (Especially the UI) is annoying. Will we modders fix it? Of course we will...but its getting tiresome that Bethesda continues down the same route at depending on PC Modders to make the game functionable on a PC.


To sum up..I (was) a big fan of Bethesda. I thank them for the countless hours I have spent in the past and and the hours I will spend modding Skyrim...however...I am not likely to drop another 150$ on another Bethesda game. Whats occured thusfar with Skyrim and the STEAM DRM/Patches has tempered my enthusiam. Its been one helluva ride with my favorite game series..but all good things come to an end . I do not get upset or angry or am saddened, as I said previously, Bethesda has given me countless hours of entertainment opportunities...I just do not like the recent marketing changes or the concentration on console gaming with piss-poor PC ports...


IMO.. Bethesda really messed up here. They forgot one thing...it was and is the PC user base and modders that kept their franchises alive years after a release.

For those of you that don't agree with my opinion, tough...I paid $150 for Skyrim and have been a member of these forums for almost 10 years for the right to express it.

[Arnold Wet]

Just like the real world. The few odd ducks ruin everything for the many.

Love the game.