Gotta agree with you. If it were an economy like he promised, our character wouldn't be the only one bringing money into it. Merchants would trade with smiths and alchemists, smiths and alchemists in turn would trade with the lumbermills, mines and farms and the people who work there would buy stuff at the merchants.

But, I really can't seem to give a [censored] about it the way all the whiners like you do. Haven't you been lied to before in advertisemants? That is why they are called advertisemants, you make the things look better than they actually are. Good thing I didn't keep track of all of the announcements between the announcement trailer and the release.

like what? dragons? arrows to the knee?

oh wait! it has SHOUTS!! so innovative really. just a simple spec ability with different spell animation :/.

i think you should go back to the latest modern warfare game

Seriously don't understand all the "this isn't a TES game, not a part of the franchise, just X other Bethes game renamed" hullabaloo. But then I also liked Oblivion, so I must be an idiot.

All TES games have flaws. All have good points. All have improvements from the last and backslides from the last. Or at least as far as Morrowind-Oblivion-Skyrim go as I never played Daggerfall or Arena. Skyrim is great, but the main quest, while an interesting story, is simply too short. Races aren't as distinctive in skills, which is good and bad. Graphics aren't nearly the improvement I would have expected. The journal is a piece of vague trash that, in real life, I'd delegate to toilet paper duty. The environs, for the most part, are rather boring...this comes solely from the "province" chosen.

The skill system, however, is world's better than Oblivion's. Perfect? No. Some perks are useless and some are godly, which is how it should be (what kind of RPG doesn't let you completely screw yourself on skills?). Quests are varied and many. I can dual-wield maces as X intended.

As for not getting what was advertised...have ya'll ever followed a game's development before? That's pretty much part & parcel of the industry.

This thread is one of the biggest flame wars i've seen in a while, huh. You woulda thought an unedited wall of misinformed lashing out text would be viewed as trollbait by everybody.

You told me that you based your opinion off the box

I'll quote you, in case you have forgotten


Do you recall making that post?

Don't call me dumb and then try to pull such an amateurish ploy with me. You can't back up what you say. Telling me I'm not as intelligent as I think I am is a great little aside, but what does that have to do with what we were talking about? Nothing. Where I come from when people make claims, they should be prepared to back them up. Where you come from, apparently its SOP to talk out your butt. And until you can backpedal and prove yourself out, that's what you're doing.

* The economy of "Skyrim" will be better developed than the one in previous games. If you destroy a city's means of income (for instance, by razing their crops), its inhabitants will have to purchase crops from a nearby city, thereby raising prices.

Does anyone know if this happens? I mean you can technically affect the economy, but I'm just wondering.

That's exactly what me and this little kid are arguing about.
And no, it does not happen.

Eh, as long as Bethesda says it's an Elder Scrolls game, then it's an Elder Scrolls game.

You still can change the economy by investing, and the guy in Riverwood suddenly got rich for example. Plus you can give every merchant more money with a perk. So that part is true.

I don't now, I may be biased becouse of Oblivion but is that Economy thing the biggest lie that was found in the PR campaign?

Oblivion "lied" about Hand-Crafted Dungeons, Oblivion lied about Extremely Intelligent AI, Oblivion lied about other small things too. Yet, Skyrim lied about "Economy" and now some people are arguing if it's or not a TES game?

They were hand crafted, they were just a bit rubbish

In spite of its flaws, it's a worthy addition to the series and still has that Elder Scrolls feel.

Two sides to every coin I say. Of course I'll keep buying RPG/ Open World games; even from Bethesda. I'm stuck in bed, I love to explore, they occupy a lot of time, the art and story lines aren't totally a waste. What I won't do anymore is rush to preorder a soughtafter game. I have the patience to wait a year, wait for the bugs to be fixed, and wait for a used $15.00 copy, as opposed to buying a $70.00, bugged-out, over hyped, blood pressure raiseing piece of crap..... let's say, like, FallOut NewVegas; which I now consider one of my favorite games, DLC's included.
I'm a security/ revenge freak that still doesn't, fully trust the net, thus, I would have ventured into World of War Craft a long time ago. I'm not just reactive to these games; like many of us, I am proactive with suggestions to the creative teams of the games I really like. So tell me, how many of you have made technical and/or creative advice to these folks and received no reply or even a pat on the back? Yeah, I know, I was just being sarcastic/retorical.
As long as we buy, we congradulate. As long as we buy we complain. We are consumers thus we do both.....can I have a hallauwa brothers and sisters?!!!!

I think that Skyrim proves it very well. You can make many "sets" of dungeons (Forts, Caves, Grottos, etc) and still make them fell different just by using different "Puzzle Pieces" to build them.

I don't know what game everyone else got, but I got something pretty amazing on my disc. Open world? Check. Character options? Check. Amazing setting? Check. Thousands of secrets awaiting to be uncovered? Check.

It ticks all the boxes of an Elder Scrolls game to me. The question surely comes to.whether its a good Elder Scrolls game, and that's something completely subjective. The OP clearly thinks Oblivion was nigh perfect. A valid opinion, but not one shared by the majority. I've been playing Elder Scrolls since Morrowind, and theres been many changes in three games. Some of which I like, and others I don't. None of them have been perfect to me. Skyrim is no different. I do miss the things that are gone, and wish they were in, but I still appreciate the new stuff and enjoy what is there. It's all.about appreciation, rather than focussing on negatives. Shout them.up.of course, but do see what's good too.

-AI is pretty Radiant, I mean I can track someone through their daily routines.
-You can sabotage economies Try making a lot of one thing and selling it, you will notice since you raised the supply of that item the demand goes down lowering the value.
-What is etc.? Cause I know I have definetely chopped wood, turned a grain mill and mined ore.
-Look at second statement, Economy does exist.
-Where have you ever seen a video of them with that voice?

I'm enjoying the game. But while playing, I find I am constantly making notes about mods I need. That's NEED, not want. Without many of them, this game will not last me long enough to be worth what I paid for it.

Yeah I believe that the next game should be TES VI: The Void, where the player builds and plays the game themselves. By then consoles should have enough CPU to handle a modding tool. So Just release a game on PC and consoles with a large blank map and the modding tools of Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim and let the players take over. Because with the dumbing down or as the new word of the day is, "Streamlining". We can just make it ourselves and play it for a cheaper price....LOL

Think I might enjoy that. Would have to work at it, though. Have only managed to do a few piddling things with the construction sets so far.

Of course it is, it has The Elder Scrolls on the box.

Skyrim is one of my favourite games ever, but to me, it does not feel like TES anymore. Maybe it is because there are no more RPG elements, and the UI looks all clear, instead of the worn paper theme.

Just wow. Skyrim still isn't perfect, but it's much better than the previous TES games.

To answer your question, yes. Skyrim is a TES game if you haven't noticed. Look at the game's cover. It reads ''The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim''.

Now 100 hours in Skyrim I am getting a little disappointed too. I was hoping for Oblivion 2.0 but skyrim is even more dumbed down. Oblivion was the pinnacle of Elder Scrolls.

Took you 100 hours to realize you're disappointed?

I think that's just your body telling you to take a damn break.

It's still a TES game despite what you think.
It's an open world and has some RPG elements, that's enough for me. c: