Hey,

I have 2 problems

1] So, Im adding this to some one else's mod 'UHNV', its a underground hideout/players home
mod and im just adding things for personal use. What I have done/added was -
What am I dong wrong, why are the containers & dancer no appearing in the game?

a] some armor *** - worked fine but not in the main area but in armoury. This separate space.
b] few boxes - did not show when in game,
c] removed a table in lounge area* - worked ok
d] added a dancer**

2] I can no longer edit this mod, When I try to open the geck just crashes. When I started creating
this mod I set the geck data to fallout.esm + UHMV.esp, with no active file, thinking that would be
right as I was going to mod the mod not the fallout.esm and then made a save for the mod its self.
So im asking will the geck crash ever time i try to open multi-files at same time or is this some thing
else?


* Adjusted navmesh for this area to fit the removal the table.
** The dancer is not the same as the NV Strip dancers as I wanted her to dance nvde with no
strips on her nipbles, so I copied/renamed the Ceasors Legion Female Slave and added the data
for her idles, them being basic stuff like eating, drinking, sleeping and dancing also I added data
for her movement area, giving her the ability to move with in the current cell

The geck just crashing is strange, is there no message at all?

If you just edit that other mod, then work on a copy of it, don't create an additional esp.

Everything in a mod is identified by numeric FormIds (the minimized column in each table) the two leftmost digits are the number of the mod and are created dynamically when the game loads, thus everything a mod uses needs to be contained in its own ESP, or in an ESM it has as master

You can add stuff from one ESP to another, by loading the one you want to copy to as active file, and just select the other plugin. But you need to copy all stuff required from the other mod in that session. If you want to use an armor from another mod, for example, you can't just equip your own NPCs with that armor, you have to make a copy of the armor and use this one.

Out of the same reason you can't add objects to another ESP (i.e. place your own NPC into that other mod's cell) the other mod doesn't know your ESP, and your ESP doesn't load the other first. The only way to do this is to convert the other mod into an ESM first (using TESsnip or FNVEdit, not just renaming) But when you edit the original mod anyway, you can just as well add your stuff to the ESP.

Another way to merge mods is using TESsnip to copy stuff from one to the other, this way you have more control about what's actually integrated to the other mod than you would have using the GECK, but this is only useful when you actually have two mods you want to merge, if you want to start from scratch with your modifications, edit the original ESP directly or convert it into an ESM and load that ESM as master file in addition to FalloutNV.esm.

If you just convert the other mod to a master file but don't rename it to .ESM, your finished plugin-modification *would* actually work even with the original version of the other mod, but this is bound to fail as soon as the loading sequence changes (i.e. your ESP is loaded before the other ESP).



As for vanishing objects, it might be this issue: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1160217-forgetful-geck-npc-placing-issue/page__view__findpost__p__17020323__fromsearch__1

If your mod contains objects of at type that is new in FNV (casinos, casino chips, weapon mods etc.), the GECK has a bug that where it stores the blueprints of random new objects you created (e.g. statics or NPCs) after new cells in the ESP. In consequence, the cells are loaded before the GECK knows about those new objects, and the new objects vanish from the cells.

The only way to fix this is using TESsnip (with FNFEdit you can't even see the issue, let alone do something about it.) to move (Cut+Paste) the Cell group from its current position to the end of the file.

Its crashing on load of the mods, the only message I get is the Windows Error Report option message.


Yeah, as much as I hate having to begin again from scratch that's what I have done.


Ah, ok I did kinda thing about that but I though I would need the Fallout.esm for it to work, so I can atleast recover the work I have done, cool


Now that you say it, that makes sense and as for the conversion to ESM I just would not have though of it, guess I need more experience at this modding stuff


Yeah I got to start learning to use these things lol


This sounds like the way for me to go, Its fairly much what I wanted to be doing but just did not realise it is what I needed to do.

As for vanishing objects, it might be this issue: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1160217-forgetful-geck-npc-placing-issue/page__view__findpost__p__17020323__fromsearch__1


So, If I understand correctly from what you have said and what I read in the linked thread I would have to move [cut/paste] the objects that are going missing
in the object list, kind of like sorting the loadorder except different, using TESsnip, not FNFEdit.

Thanks for the great reply and info (and link!), given me a bit to think about and some think new to do to, (converting esp to esm).