as of now i have my last 11 perks to spend and i decided on sneak

I do not have enough to fully upgrade the sneak skill, it requires 13-14 perks.

my question is what is the best way to spread out those perks to get the best possible combination? right side? left? little of both?

and i kinda want the shadow warrior perk, but i have never used it before. is it good?

depends on how you are going to play your character. If you don't plan on using a bow or dagger you can skip the right and just do left side. If you are looking to be a dagger wielding assassin type then you might have to skip a few ranks of Stealth to get to Shadow Warrior and use both sides. Depends on what other skills you are focusing on and your playstyle.

One point in stealth is all you need.
The right side is good for dealing more damage,the left side is good for remaing hidden.
So a total of 9 perks gets you everyting you really need.

I go up the right side to the 3X bow, and then climb up the left side as far as my spare points will allow. It depends on how much I need the perks for other trees, based on my character. I always like sneak, though. It's been my first skill to 100 every time.

Oh, and I never put more than 1 point into the first perk either. There's no need.

You can get them all for 9 perk points. Put 3 into Stealth if the points aren't needed elsewhere. Those ranks aren't strictly necessary but they actually do help.

Angry Orc is right.

1/5 in Stealth and up the Rt side. The left is only if want to RP, IMO. Even the Muffle perk is a waste. You can easily cast the spell in lieu. Plus the spell is a power level of 1, which is totally silent while the perk is only 0.5. ( That is if I understand the Muffle mechanics right)

Silent Roll, Silence, and Shadow Warrior are hardly just for role playing. Silence is 100% muffle so there is no need for enchanted muffle gear and no point in spells since Muffle beyond 100% does nothing.

The most important Perk (IMO) on the Left side of the Sneak tree is "Light Foot". You won't ever have to worry about setting off a floor trigger trap again.

But like most people have said, the right side is damage based focusing on your Sneak Attack while the Left side focuses on actual Stealth.

Since you have 11 Perks points to spend, I'll give you my suggestions and divide them up into Left Side(LS) and Right Side (RS) Perks:

Backstab (RS) -weapons do 6x damage with Sneak attack
*Forgot Perk Name...* (RS) Bows d0 3x damage w/Sneak attack
Assassin's Blade (RS) Daggers do 15x damage w/Sneak Attack (easy to stick a high quality dagger into your Favorites Menu and then do a quick switch whenever you need to take someone out silently. Useful even if you don't normally use daggers).

Muffle (LS) Muffles armor noise by 50% (doesn't specify in Sneak or not, could be useful while standing upright)
Light Foot (LS) You won't trigger floor traps by walking or running over them. Ever.
Silent Roll (LS) While Sneaking, if you hit the Sprint button you'll do a silent forward roll (useful to get from one shadowy area to another without being detected.

And then I'd just toss the rest of them into the Sneak modifier so that when you do have to Sneak, there's little to no chance of you being spotted.

If you use illusion spells invisibility and muffle, you only need the right side of the tree and can save yourself many perks. In the end a silent cast/perked invisibility is >> SW.

I see them as nothing more than that. Then again all of my sneaky characters are masters of Illusion. I guess if you had a character that didn't forego any Illusion...still, it doesn't seem that attractive. (to me)

Silent roll can be done anyway, without the perk. Shadow Warrior? Maybe, maybe not. I am usually undetected anyways. Besides Invisibility does that.

I don't get the "Silence" thing. The muffle spell is 100%. With that spell there is no need for the Muffle perk or Silence. When your sneak is 100, you are all but undetectable anyway. That is unless someone wants to run around in broad daylight, right in front of an NPC and still remain hidden. That is just too much for me. Then those people want to start complaint threads about how broken the game is.

Too add: There is continuing speculation as to if the perk "silence" is indeed providing 100% muffle. The wiki page is in dispute and no one has brought clear evidence, so it is not good to put that on the forums as fact.

I had to correct the wiki myself yesterday- it was saying that disintegrated dragons do not give you souls, which they absolutely most certainly do.

I agree. It's easy enough to find a pair of muffle boots.
Granted for pure sneaky characters one might be find this useful, but In my experience I've only ever put two/ three perks into Stealth, plus the right side.

shadow warrior is pretty much crap

I never new there was a debate. Then again, there was never a need for me to find out. Good to know about the Dragon Souls.

I am currently playing up a Sneaky Sniper Alchemist Illusionist Backstabbing Traqer Assassin. I am spending as few as I possibly need.

Right now that is a total of 4 and that is all it will ever be.

1 point in the first perk and fill the rest. With that, you'll become practically invisible even when they are standing next to you and do insane amounts of damage with any weapon except magic while sneaking.

No point in spells. except the fact that a muffle spell saves the need to put 5 perks here. So maybe some point in a spell.

Shadow Warrior might just be the single most powerful perk in the game. People who dislike it think it's supposed to be an invisibility spell and it's not. Shadow Warrior allows you to vanish and then Silent Roll behind cover or better yet, take out entire groups of enemies with backstab by disappearing and reappearing behind them.

That sounds like being invisible to me.

Did you see where I wrote "spell"? You highlighted it in orange so I'm assuming you actually read the post.
The invisibility effect from spells and potions works very differently. For one thing, Shadow Warrior actually breaks combat which invisibility (the spell) does not.

No need to get tiffy. You would assume correct. That's just a play on words. You can call it a yellow all you want. It's still a banana. Spell or no spell. It functions the same.

The left side of the tree is actually awesome, it makes you into a ninja in terms of movement.

Silent roll in 1st person makes you feel like (god forbid) an agile sneaky character, it's more like a little ninja dash in 1st person and you can clear dungeons very quickly using it.
The glitch roll that can be done without the perk is not silent.

Not setting off pressure pads... important while you're zipping around slitting throats.

Shadow warrior is the skyrim version of a smokebomb vanish, it's an aggro breaker par excellence and compliments all the other perks on that side beautifully.

I wish I played on pc so I could record footage of my assassin moving through dungeons, I think a lot of people are not getting just how fast sneaky characters can become with these perks.

Not tiffy in the slightest (whatever that means... isn't tiffin like brunch? If so, I could go for that about now). My point is that Shadow Warrior is not invisibility even if the superficial effect sounds that way. It simply does not work the same way as invisibility does. search for "skyrim shadow warrior" in Youtube and you'll see what I mean. Furthermore, and this is a critical point, Shadow Warrior and Backstab/Assassin's Blade go hand in hand. This is why it's folly to take just one side of the sneak perk tree.

Ha! That first part is funny. I am actually partaking of some brunch as we spe...um type.

I get some of what you are saying. I am not knocking anyone that uses those. I am just saying that there are better ways to spend those perks, in areas that function then same and do more with less. They are obviously not useless. I want to make that clear.

I use invisibility and muffle to that effect. Muffle before entering a room, cast invisibility as you enter, backstab Enemy-1, recast Invisibility and hit the shadows to regroup for the next guy. This sounds very similar to me.

That's why I said that those perks are more attractive to roleplaying. They are not usless. Just less useful than others. That is hardly being folly.

EDIT :
And how does one know that?

I like to think that I my Assassin is slow, calculated and deliberate. He sees and avoids trap triggers.

So does invisibility and muffle. In fact mt favorite set up is the Ebony mail and cast Invisibility. You are just an eerie black patch of smoke floating around.

With my characters. There is no need for speed. Death is savory.

honestly sneak is the only skill tree for me that I gained all perks.

90% of them are really usefull.

As mentioned right makes you stay hidden, left is all about damage. combined you are unstoppable

I don't want to be an ass, but the right side is all about damage and the left side is about stealth.

But other than that, good post.