Aedra! : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:53 am

I know the Nine Divines are Aedra. But are other spirits (powerful and weak) who live in the Aetherius also Aedra? Or is it only the ones who "stayed behind" during the creation of Mundus who goes by that name?

If Aetherius spirits are not Aedra, then what are they?

Thanks in advance:D

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:43 am

Aedra and Daedra are merish terms for 'our ancestors' and 'not our ancestors' respectfully. Other than that, there isn't difference aside from their alignment to Padomey and Anu. In the begining, they were all just spirits with no distinction other than their personalities I suppose, it wasn't until the creation that you see them have any real purpose other than exisisting.

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:24 pm

Aedra and Daedra are merish terms for 'our ancestors' and 'not our ancestors' respectfully. Other than that, there isn't difference aside from their alignment to Padomey and Anu. In the begining, they were all just spirits with no distinction other than their personalities I suppose, it wasn't until the creation that you see them have any real purpose other than exisisting.

I sort of know that already, but it's still confusing

If I meet a spirit from Aetherius, should I call it an Aedra or not?

» Thu May 03, 2012 7:21 am

Ask its name? :ermm:

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:05 am

By spirits in Aetherius you mean like in Sovengaurd? since man and mer are your 'Aedra' of the lesser varriant and they are reincarnated through the dreamselve you wouldn't meet one in Aetherius, and if you did you wouldn't call them Aedra I don't think. You and them are the same.

Ask its name? :ermm:

Basically yeah.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:10 pm

Aedra refers specifically to Et'ada who gave up part of themselves to creation. So no, you wouldn't.

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:42 am

Aren't those spirits in Aetherius Magne-Ge who escaped the Creation with Magnus?

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:24 am

Aedra refers specifically to Et'ada who gave up part of themselves to creation. So no, you wouldn't.

Exactly. This is what I suspected! So if their not Aedra, nor Daedra, what are the spirits of Aetherius? And no, not just those Nord heroes in Sovngarde. I was thinking that just like in Oblivion where lesser daedra roam the planes, there could be lesser spirits roaming the planes of Aetherius as well. Sort of?

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:02 pm

Aren't those spirits in Aetherius Magne-Ge who escaped the Creation with Magnus?

Ahhh thats right! I was focusing on how they placed Sovengaurd in Aetherius in Skyrim. Yeah they would be Magne-Ge.

Exactly. This is what I suspected! So if their not Aedra, nor Daedra, what are the spirits of Aetherius? And no, not just those Nord heroes in Sovngarde. I was thinking that just like in Oblivion where lesser daedra roam the planes, there could be lesser spirits roaming the planes of Aetherius as well. Sort of?

Nope, the lesser 'Aedra' only do wandering on Nirn.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:24 am

Ahhh thats right! I was focusing on how they placed Sovengaurd in Aetherius in Skyrim. Yeah they would be Magne-Ge.

Nope, the lesser 'Aedra' only do wandering on Nirn.

Aren't there none-Aedric spirits in Aetherius, who does some roaming/wandering in their free-time? :whistling:

EDIT: is it these spirits that are the Magne-Ge

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:42 am

Yup, the Magne-Ge would be the spirits who left during the creation with Magnus, the rest of us poor saps got svcked in with the greater spirits or your traditional 'Aedra'.

Magnus and his ilk hate Mundus so much, if you were to call them Mange-Ge they probably wouldn't understand the term.

» Wed May 02, 2012 10:30 pm

Before creation there were the original spirits, or Et'Ada.
Lorkhan convinced (or tricked) some of them to create the Mundus.
When it became clear that they would have to sacrifice (parts of) themselves into creation, some abandoned the Project for Aetherius, these are the Magna-Ge.
Those that stayed and continued are the Aedra.
Those that did not participate but are fascinated by it and like to meddle are the Daedra.

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:51 am

Makes me wonder how sensitive certain spirits are to being called certain things.

If I approached Akatosh and said, "Greetings, Lord Daedroth!" what are the odds that he'd:

step on me?
respond, "it's Aedroth!!!!"?
laugh himself into a [dangerously fiery] coughing fit?
look shifty and pretend not to have heard?

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:11 am

Makes me wonder how sensitive certain spirits are to being called certain things.

If I approached Akatosh and said, "Greetings, Lord Daedroth!" what are the odds that he'd:

step on me?
respond, "it's Aedroth!!!!"?
laugh himself into a [dangerously fiery] coughing fit?
look shifty and pretend not to have heard?

Most spirits and gods when talking about things like these say that it is a mortal distinction made from our failure to understand.
They have no interest in our names for them, to them it is like an ant looking at a pond and a swimming pool and calling them both ocean.
There are suggestions that the mortal failure to understand means there is a surface we havent scratched yet.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1249697-on-boethiahs-summoning-day

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:36 pm

Aedra and Daedra are merish terms for 'our ancestors' and 'not our ancestors' respectfully. Other than that, there isn't difference aside from their alignment to Padomey and Anu. In the begining, they were all just spirits with no distinction other than their personalities I suppose, it wasn't until the creation that you see them have any real purpose other than exisisting.

Even still, it was only coincidence that aedra and daedra happen to be anu/padomay aligned, respectively. However, Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan and Jyggy break that mold.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:47 am

Even still, it was only coincidence that aedra and daedra happen to be anu/padomay aligned, respectively. However, Shor/Shezarr/Lorkhan and Jyggy break that mold.

So better yet, the only difference is our perception in our flawed and feeble mortal minds.

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:30 am

Ahhh thats right! I was focusing on how they placed Sovengaurd in Aetherius in Skyrim. Yeah they would be Magne-Ge.

Nope, the lesser 'Aedra' only do wandering on Nirn.

You too??

Why does everybody always spell Sovngarde wrong?

Anyway, there's a post called "Magna-Ge Pantheon" by MK.

Meridia, and Mehrunes Dagon were both Magna-Ge. Well, we don't know for sure about Dagon yet, but probably.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:47 am

Akatosh should also be Padomay aligned. Time is the measure of change. There is no better representation of change than time.

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:21 am

You too??

Why does everybody always spell Sovngarde wrong?

In a rush with no time to double check myself I suppose.

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:27 pm

Akatosh should also be Padomay aligned. Time is the measure of change. There is no better representation of change than time.

Akatosh is about keeping the stability of the Empire. He's more about stasis and keeping the status quo. Auri-el or Alduin, though...

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:06 am

The Et'Ada combine aspects of both Anu and Padomay. Akatosh is time, thus change, but also the guardian that allowed the other et'Ada to have existences that didn't wink out immediately and he is thus alinged with stasis. Lorkhan wanted to upset the status quo of the predetermined destinies/natures of the et'Ada and by that change achieve a new sort of permanence that wasn't the frozen stasis of Anu and he thus embodied both Anu and Padomay.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:06 am

Akatosh should also be Padomay aligned. Time is the measure of change. There is no better representation of change than time.

So a metronome is something chaotic, rather than something that establishes order?

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:39 am

You can only have a true stasis in the absence of time. Time is the only thing that allows the universe to change at all.

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:11 am

Unless you're saying that time would exist without Akatosh, and that Akatosh keeps it flowing smoothly?

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:20 am

Akatosh isn't time itself, just the (semi) linear regulation of time that allows creation to take a form comprehensible to mortals. Anything except linear time is beyond our ken, so Akatosh the metronome is time from our perspective.