All spells cost 1 Magicka, wut. : IV

» Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:20 pm

I still need help..

Well, I just got Oblivion loaded and my friend came to visit and loaded a ton of mods to my PC, better cities, natural envirnoment, crowded roads, stealth overhaul, more weapons and armor, there are now strawberry pies in my game, archeology guild and much much more. But wtf, all my spells cost 1 magicka to cast and he has no idea what mod is causing this.. I'll put up all the mods I have active right now into a huge list right now, but if anyone has past knowledge of why this happens, feel free to let me know right away. Theories of possible fixes of this are also much appreciated.

I had the LAME (version 1.0) active when I first saw it, deactivated it and all spells still cost 1 MP.

Help a noob, please

Mods I'm currently using:

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Animated Window Lighting System 5.5.3
Armamentarium 1.0
Aurield retreat 1.0
Better Cities 4.9.7
Better cities permanent resources 4.9.0
better cities resources 4.9.6
bobs armory 1.0
capes n stuff 1.0
CM partners 1.9
Cobl 1.72
combat archery 1.0
crowded roads 1.0
custom enchant 1.0
cyrodil transport 1.0
cyrodil transport vanilla 1.0
dark brotherhood 1.0
DarNified UI 1.3.2
Elsweyr 1.0
Enchanment Enhanced 1.0
Enhanced Economy 5.2.2
Enhanced water 1.0
illumination within 1.0
landmarks with wells 1.0
loading screens 1.0
lost paladins of the divines 1.0
MartsMonsterMod30
Mithril Orcish Weapons 1.0
Natural Environments 1.0
Natural_Faces_v95_OMOD-1965
No flickering toches 1.0
No recharge 1.0
Open cities 1.0
PJs spell 1.0
Qarl_TP3_Full_v1.3_OMOD
Quest award leveler 1.0
quest RPG 1.0
RAEWWD 1.0
real lava 1.0
realistic leveling 1.13
shadowcrest vineyard 1.0
stealth overhaul 1.0
the lost spires 1.0
thievery 1.0
thieves arsenal 1.0
unique landscapes compilation 1.6.5
unofficial_oblivion_patch_v3_2_0_OMOD_Version-5296
Unofficial_Official_Mods_Patch_v15_OMOD_version-9969
UnofficialPatchSupplementals.omod 334

Load order is (afaik) this:

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Oblivion.esm
Armamentarium.esm
CM Partners.esm
ElsweyrValenwood.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esm
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
ArmamentariumVendors.esp
Auriel's_Retreat.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
ACCCGR.esp
CM Partners NPC.esp
CM Partners More NPCs.esp
CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
CM Partners.esp
Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp
Crowded Roads 23.esp
Custom Enchanting Unlocked.esp
Whispers of Death Extended.esp
Enchantment Enhanced.esp
IlluminationWithin.esp
Landmarks, w Wells.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
Mart's Monster Mod.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-No Adventurers.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
NoFlicker_BrightTorch.esp
No Recharge.esp
PJs Spell Compendium - No Requirements
PJs Spells - Cheap Spells.esp
Quest Award Leveller-Mehrunes Razor.esp
Quest Award Leveller-Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
Real Lava 1.3.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCThievesDen-Unofficial Patch-SSSB.esp
DLCSpellTomes-Unofficial Patch.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCHorseArmor-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThivesDen-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair-Unofficial Pathc.esp
Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
thievery.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulColovianHighlands.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPatch:AY_AC.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
MMM-Cobl.esp
RealisticLeveling.esp
Mithril and Orcish Weapon Sets by Ionis.esp
Enhanced Economy.esp
thievery-EE patch.esp
Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp
Scribe Supplies.esp
VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
Cyrodiil transportation network.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities-COBL.esp
Better Cities-Thievery.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities-The Lost Spires.esp
Better Cities- VWD of the IC.esp
Better Cities-open Better Cities.esp
Better Cities.esp

» Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:27 pm

I am curious, is that mod list you gave the load order, or is is just alphebetized? If that is your load order that might be the problem.

I would recommend running BOSS if your friend has not done so for you, as it orders your mods in such a way to avoid issues like this (Link Below):
http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516

The Version of LAME you are using is outdated, as the current release version is 1.7 (Link Below):

http://www.theelderscrolls.info/?go=dlfile&fileid=219

Try the above and see if it resolves your issues.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:46 am

Are you using "Elys uncapper" and your magic skills are 200 or more?

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:48 am

Are you using "Elys uncapper" and your magic skills are 200 or more?

to this I can answer easily, even as the noob in these things I am: No, my magic skills are under 20, all of them.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:33 am

I am curious, is that mod list you gave the load order, or is is just alphebetized? If that is your load order that might be the problem.

I would recommend running BOSS if your friend has not done so for you, as it orders your mods in such a way to avoid issues like this (Link Below):
http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20516

The Version of LAME you are using is outdated, as the current release version is 1.7 (Link Below):

http://www.theelderscrolls.info/?go=dlfile&fileid=219

Try the above and see if it resolves your issues.

they are alphabetical in that list, they load order is very different from the alphabetical list I have in the original post. And right now, I just toggled the LAME off, as I also found that v1.7 on my own, but as a noob I am I cannot load it myself and make ot work

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:55 am

Ok, so it seems *most* spells cost 1 MP, such as the basic healing spell, flare, burning touch and pretty much every spell edgar vatrine has in his shop, but summon scamp costs 77, bound dagger 27, shocking touch 18 and another one costs 17. Strange. also, all the spells that cost 1 MP had the buy value of 4, every single one. Though I might add that here, if it helps.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:12 am

Also, an NPC is dublicated, a spell seller in the better cities imperial city market district. Don't know if it is intentionally made so, he sells spells after all.. both of him lol.

» Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:09 pm

And now the game started to crahs when I sell a mythic dawn robe to thoronir for 0 cash (give item)... Something is completely wrong about this.. Uh..

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:32 am

You need to post your mods in the load order you use for us to be able to help you.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:27 pm

You need to post your mods in the load order you use for us to be able to help you.

Ok, it will take some time though..

» Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:08 pm

Ok, it will take some time though..

Don't you make BOSS, Oblivion Mod Manager (OBMM) or Wrye Bash? You can copy the load order from those programs

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:04 am

Ok, it will take some time though..

You don't need to do it by hand. If you're not using a mod manager [and that's a Really Bad Idea?] open a dos prompt, cd to \oblivion\data and type the following:

dir /b /od *.esm *.esp > list.txt

Then paste here the content of the list.txt file you'll find in the same directory.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:12 am

Load order is (afaik) this:

Spoiler

Oblivion.esm
Armamentarium.esm
CM Partners.esm
ElsweyrValenwood.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
Jog_X_Mod.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esm
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
ArmamentariumVendors.esp
Auriel's_Retreat.esp
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
ACCCGR.esp
CM Partners NPC.esp
CM Partners More NPCs.esp
CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
CM Partners.esp
Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp
Crowded Roads 23.esp
Custom Enchanting Unlocked.esp
Whispers of Death Extended.esp
Enchantment Enhanced.esp
IlluminationWithin.esp
Landmarks, w Wells.esp
LoadingScreens.esp
Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
Mart's Monster Mod.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-City Defences.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Diverse Creature Skins.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Diverse Imperial Armor.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Less Bone Loot.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod-No Adventurers.esp
Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
NoFlicker_BrightTorch.esp
No Recharge.esp
PJs Spell Compendium - No Requirements
PJs Spells - Cheap Spells.esp
Quest Award Leveller-Mehrunes Razor.esp
Quest Award Leveller-Vile Lair.esp
Quest Award Leveller.esp
Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
Real Lava 1.3.esp
Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
DLCThievesDen-Unofficial Patch-SSSB.esp
DLCSpellTomes-Unofficial Patch.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
DLCHorseArmor-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThivesDen-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor-Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair-Unofficial Pathc.esp
Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
StealthOverhaul.esp
The Lost Spires.esp
thievery.esp
Thieves Arsenal.esp
xulAncientRedwoods.esp
xulAncientYews.esp
xulArriusCreek.esp
xulBlackwoodForest.esp
xulBravilBarrowfields.esp
xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp
xulCheydinhalFalls.esp
xulChorrolHinterland.esp
xulCloudtopMountains.esp
xulColovianHighlands.esp
xuldarkforest.esp
XulEntiusGorge.esp
xulFallenleafEverglade.esp
xulImperialIsle.esp
xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp
xulLushWoodlands.esp
xulPantherRiver.esp
xulRiverEthe.esp
xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
xulSnowdale.esp
xulStendarrValley.esp
xulTheHeath.esp
xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp
xulRollingHills_EV.esp
xulPatch:AY_AC.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Tweaks.esp
Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp
MMM-Cobl.esp
RealisticLeveling.esp
Mithril and Orcish Weapon Sets by Ionis.esp
Enhanced Economy.esp
thievery-EE patch.esp
Cyrodiil transportation network 1.3.esp
Scribe Supplies.esp
VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
Cyrodiil transportation network.esp
Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
Better Cities-COBL.esp
Better Cities-Thievery.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp
Better Cities-Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
Better Cities-The Lost Spires.esp
Better Cities- VWD of the IC.esp
Better Cities-open Better Cities.esp
Better Cities.esp

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:15 am

Ok, the PJs spell thing did NOT change the 1 MP cost...

» Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:15 pm

Ok, added the full load order..

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:40 am

Spells still cost 1 MP, I just started a new male imperial character and the dark elf called me a khajiit.. thought it might help if you experts know that.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:32 am

If you know how to use http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11536, you can probably figure it out.

Just install+launch.

In the first window that pops up asking what mods to load, you shouldn't have to change anything, just say OK, then wait for it to load (it will take a bit), the message window on the right will say http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1446/test4edit.png when it's done.

Then navigate to one of the problem spells, like http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/7656/test4edit2.png (I expanded the "[00] Oblivion.esm" item, then the "Spells" item, then looked for the healing spell you get at the start of the game (Heal Minor Wounds)

The last mod shown on the right is the one that's making the final changes, and should give you an idea why the casting cost is too low. (Just remember, this is the base cost usually, there are other factors, so this wont necessarily be 1)

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 4:02 am

If you know how to use http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11536, you can probably figure it out.

Just install+launch.

In the first window that pops up asking what mods to load, you shouldn't have to change anything, just say OK, then wait for it to load (it will take a bit), the message window on the right will say http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1446/test4edit.png when it's done.

Then navigate to one of the problem spells, like http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/7656/test4edit2.png (I expanded the "[00] Oblivion.esm" item, then the "Spells" item, then looked for the healing spell you get at the start of the game (Heal Minor Wounds)

The last mod shown on the right is the one that's making the final changes, and should give you an idea why the casting cost is too low. (Just remember, this is the base cost usually, there are other factors, so this wont necessarily be 1)

:bonk: Sorry, I'm a noob as I said

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:08 am

Ok, I think I have f'cked up my settings pretty badly xD I just walked into a bandit camp and there litterally was 10 bandits respawning around me.. meh. And I have not the slightest idea of how to fix it. I really need to get my friend here, this is starting to be ridiculous.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:14 am

I don't think you should rely on that friend too much, IIRC PJ's spell compendum caused several problems (including savegame bloating by using PlaceAtMe's). You should really learn to do it yourself and learn the tools of the trade: Oblivion Mod Manager,Wrye Bash and BOSS are pretty much essential for the average mod user and TES4Edit (the tool Lojack recommended) can be a real lifesaver sometimes. It'll also help you prepare for modding Skyrim in the future, which will no doubt see many of the same tools. You can choose to stay a newbie or start taking matters into your own hands. Invest some time in it, it's worth it! :yes:

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:09 am

Ok, everything else is fixed but the 1 MP thing.. It's definitely not a single mod causing it, after deleting all mods that have anything to do with spells, it's still there..

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:00 am

While this problem is probably just a load order problem, my advice is a bit more drastic. Start over with a clean install. I know you probably already spent quite some time with your friend installing mods, but I'd consider that time lost. Don't let your friend install mods for you, but do it yourself, that's the only way to start understanding how oblivion mods are dependent on eachother and how things like load orders work. Read the sticky threads in this forum (the mods FAQ in particular) and make sure to use a utillity like OBMM or Wrye Bash BAIN to install mods. Install one mod at a time, test it and then add the next one.

» Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:21 pm

Problem is I fail at the first thing, I download a mod, but then I don't know where to put the mod-file to even be able to change the load order, or even activating it in the first place.. :/

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:51 am

Problem is I fail at the first thing, I download a mod, but then I don't know where to put the mod-file to even be able to change the load order, or even activating it in the first place.. :/

About the installation of the mods, read these beginner guides:
http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/Oblivion_Mods_FAQ
http://planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Tutorials.Detail&id=60

About the load order, the problem is that Oblivion doesn't allows you to change the load order.
You need an external program like http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2097 or http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22368.

» Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:40 am

I have been following this thread, I think the first link in my signature to TESIV:POSitive can help you out on the "how do I install mods" question. I like and prefer BAIN as an installation tool, but OBMM works very well at first.
If you take the time to read through Tomlong and Psymon's guides for Wrye Bash, and download Alt3rn1ties Pictorial Guide, you can hopefully gain enough understanding of the basics of Wrye Bash to skip OBMM entirely and use Bash and BAIN to install and manage your Oblivion game.
I do not dislike OBMM, and I still always install it in my Oblivion builds, but I think if somene can avoid using it except as a tool to configure INI files for mods like Enhanced Economy, they are better off in the long run.
You do have this thread to ask questions.