You won't always be fighting mud crabs. 10% of large tough creatures will be enough to justify such perks, and as others have said there are also situations when them perks will be critical.

Dragons themselves justify the 10% perks. Well except for the fire one because it is just annoying to have your dragon soul flew away.

Ok people im thoroughly convinced now Magic finisher moves FTW!

Some of the perks are clearly weaker than others, but I am not concern, a perk rebalanced mod will be available.

Actually it is; full perk description is "Standing power attacks do 25% bonus damage, chance to decapitate." All the more reason why I think the final Shock/Fire/Frost perks will add a bit of extra damage too.

Even if some of the perks are bad (not seen any that I think that of, but there might be some) they might be bad because they're on the path to one that's really good, so they're kind of an investment.

Removed.

It did, it said something like "oh, and you will now do 5% extra damage" or something similar at the end of the perk description.

I get what u mean they are kinda pointless at that stage and u are forced to pick those perks to get to the ones on the perk tree behind them.

guess it's more to make the kill animations more varied and so magic uses get some kind of finisher move ????

I'm confused as to how any of those are considered "redundant." It appears to me that they are simply situation based perks that would seem rather useful in tight situations.

As for the "would percentage based perks be much better?" That all depends on the personal preference and play style. We'll use the example you've given us where a player can either have a) Reanimate undead with 100 more health or Absorb 30% magicka that hits you. In this situation, a Warrior or Rogue archetype will not benefit from a Conjuration spell perk like a Mage would. Granted a Mage would still benefit from the 30% absorption, but if you're concentrating on Conjuring powerful undead creatures, those creatures will make just fine absorption shields.


This was the first situation that came to mind when I read the op.

They also might be in the way of the better perks. Welcome to perk/talent trees.

Those perks could mean the difference between life and death, what if your low on health too? The extra help could make the difference.

Eh, maybe on master HP pad difficulty level. Fireball does more than 50 points of damage, they would need to have a thousand+ hit points in order for them to take several shots before dying. I guess if you are really low on mana and want to go with the crap damage flames and hope the fear effect procs it might come in handy.

If it's like other games with the same or similar set ups. There will inevitably be worthless/underpowered perks and "must have" perks. Though some of the set up with Skyrim alleviates some problems.

Or exaggerates it depending on where the perks are placed.

Given the skill to perk relationship. The only area I would see this happening is a One True Build? forming in relation to a particular skill due to a must have perk being behind a bunch of prereq perks. But I don't know if they even staggered perks enough like that for it to be applicable.

The alteration and resto perks you quoted are the end of tree perks, meaning you had to invest a bunch of perks in that tree to unlock that awesome perk.

Sounds like a means to add a little flare to magic kills. Not sure why anyone would have a problem with this, unless you're arguing for less content... Hrm.

Well it is a valid concern, a perk that really only does something to an enemy that's already dead anyways for all practical purposes simply isn't that amazing. I'd take a raw 10% damage increase any day over that, especially considering that from all the videos I've seen things in Skyrim die very fast.

I agree with you, if its 10% hp than i will not take it, but if its less than 30% than its worth it.

You need bad perks so you can have good perks

LOL thats one way to see it

Not really. Video games aren't a good medium to have a smooth transition of entry level abilities to end game abilities were it's structured so that entry level stuff is still useful and not simply a speed bump late game. But entry level perks and bad parks are two vastly different things.

Example being stuff like...the Special raising perk in FO3 you could get from the get go. It was ok for early levels but nothing special, but it also wasn't a sub optimized or horrendous early choice.

Conversely stuff like Here and Now and the Perk that increased xp gains were just plain bad.

Its already been said in this thread that these perks are at the END of the destruction perk trees, so it's the other way round.

Having watched the official demo several times and comparing it to the many 3-hr previews, a few things occured to me. Namely, the character in the demo is at a pretty high level. Look at the skill levels, a lot of the magic skills are right up in to 70s - 80, I think destruction is at 94 or something. Also he has a TON of health! Dragons' fire and bites barely seem to scratch him. It's only his melee skills which are low. Also, that video cuts out time and again, so you only see the start and finish of every fight.

Do we even have a list of perks yet to decide?

I thought we just had the incomplete list.