i always seem to mess up when linking a skyrim perk tree, the link always comes back to a blank tree so ill mark my spec down here incase anyone is interested or can tell me if necromage is worth it. I made this originally with an end goal of 5/5 in haggling until i ended up getting bit by a vampire, but im not sure necromage will actually do anything for my class anyway.

Up to 50:
Archery - All points
Blacksmithing - The 5 points on the left to get to dragon bows/armour
Sneak - All points except for its only 4/5 in the first one as i cant fill that one up until 51. Also ignoring assassins blade.
Destruction - up to Deepfreeze and Intense flames to buff my bow damage and get CC utility
Enchanting - up to extra effect and frost enchanter to finish my bow off

up to 81:
Sneak: finish off that tree except for assassin's blade.
Light armour: Fill the whole tree up
Speech: 1/5 in haggling, and then all the way up to master trader
Alchemy: 5/5 alchemist then up to benefactor and poisoner
Enchanting: add soul squeezer and Soul Siphon.

That leaves 4 points to go for necro mage, or to fill up to 5/5 in haggling if necromage is no good for my class, any suggestions?

for anyone else interested in this spec, i dont use destruction spells, and need 60 destruction skill for the perks in that tree. So ill have to keep buying skill gains. If you havent bought any by level 38, you have to buy 5 points in destruction before EACH level up as you can only buy 5 points per level. Im also mixing health and stamina up a little atm, i am currently on 150 stamina before level 20, aiming for 200 before level 30, and 300 before level 50. i think 300 stamina should give me plenty of time 'sniping' and as im going for the faster stam regen from the light armour tree, it will stay at 300 from that point. The rest of the points will be spent on health.

any advice will be appreciated as long as its on topic.

This is one of the most unique builds that I have seen for an http://theskyrimblog.ning.com/group/character-building/forum/topics/character-build-the-arcane-archer. I plan to try this once I retire my sorcerer.

I'd skip soul squeezer and siphon. They are handy but you can fill a castle with souls gems by that point with the amount of money you should have. Haggling as well I'd skip for same reason.

You don't need all points in archery. Crit shot is a bit of a waste IMO costing 3 points for only 20% chance. Hunters Disciplin you don't need, money and arrows are not hard to get. Ranger.. Well if you are running lots with bow it makes stealth and sniping kinda pointless. So the whole right hand side of archery can be skipped easy enough. Enchants and smithing can make up for Bulleyes as well so that can be skipped easily.

Restoration is nice for healing and stamina restoration. It also has the necromage perk that will buff any enchants you have if you play as a vampire.

Illusion is always nice as well to get you out of any tight situations.

I agree with all your points you make, but most of it was just filling in extra points that keep the 'feel' of the class. changing from alchemy healing to restoration would mean having to take more mana unless im going to choose resto enchants on my armour (havent planned how to enchant my armour yet, only my bow). Im not sure what enchants work with which pieces of armour, is it perfectly viable to get the 100% restoration casting discount do you think? The running thing is more for when im attacking multiple enemies. one on one, its always about the stealth shot, and sniping down those last few hit points, but if there are more enemies in the surroundings, i have to be able to get back fast. so i still want sneak and the faster movement. especially with the shadow warrior perk making it easier to snipe, hide, snipe hide etc. What poitns would you suggest in illusion? illusion seems to fit in well with how i see this class.

could anyone who knows how to link skyrim talent trees that dont empty once you click on them, perhaps make a copy of mine in their post so i can link it in my original post, and then maybe take some points out and suggest things in illusion for me, and for resto, i think id only like to go so far as necromage, and respite and keep to alchemy healing. i think restoration healing would be better, but it doesnt fit in with how i see my character. My character is all about the bow, so i dont really ever want to have to unequip, except for when changing bows for tactical reasons.

i could easily lose points in the first part of the stealth tree (only need 1/5), some of the archery talents, and some of the light armour ones as i dont intend to be caught in melee, thats more of a back up thing. and speech was only added as i didnt know what else fit in at the time.

Definitely want the destro and enchanting frostfire buffs, and dragon bows, and for the bow to be my only weapon. would prefer alchemy healing.

100% cost reduction for restoration would just make game stupidly easily and boring. You can just stand there while 10 frost trolls jump up and down on your face without taking any damage. Stick with alchemy actually yeah, it's a lot more fun and adds a lot more than just healing especially for archery.

This page shows you what effects can go on each bit of armor. Very handy.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Enchanting_Effects

Illusion I use for invisibility (best skill for stealth!), so dual casting and silent casting for it. Illusion also has muffle which is also very handy and it is available early in game as well where I'm not sure the muffle enchant on items is.

If you use the Skyrim Perk Calculator, just click save my build then it will give you an URL to the build you can paste.

i tried the save my build, posted it on my facebook, and when i clicked the link, it still gave me a blank build

i did think invisibility was the only spell i would use, but i forgot about muffle. I also like the idea of a confusion spell if one exists. I dont want 'calm', that seems a bit panyish for this character, and i think frenzy is the closest i could have to confusion, but it means unequipping my bow. i could go up the right hand side of illusion tree tho and maybe make some fun bows that way. i could use my frostfire against few targets, and a chaos bow against multiple targets not sure what would duo enchant well with frenzy tho, and not sure if frenzy is a weapon enchant or not. but its giving me more idea's for a tactical arsenal, time to get wiki'ing methinks, cheers for the ideas

great link now i have a good list of what can go on what, here is the equiment build i might try for first:

Bow = Frost and fire with destro augments and CC perks.
Helm = Fortify Archery / fortify illusion
Armour = fortify illusion / fortify regen stamina
Gloves = fortify Archery / fortify illusion.
boots = muffle / sneak
ring = Archery / fortify illusion
neck = Archery / fortify illusion

after looking at illusion weapon enchants, the only one there is fear. so unless i combine it with frost to stop them running to far, it could make them run into other enemies. so i dont think i want to spend too much on that side of the tree. With that much fortify illusion tho, i reckon i could get away with casting invis and frenzy etc without having to take any perks in illusion couldnt i?

No probs. Archery, smithing and enchanting is enough to make Alduin rethink his plans alone so you can't really go wrong. Just have fun with the rest.

One more word of advise though, be careful around mages. ALWAYS be careful around mages! They can make life very difficult for an archer without the right tactics and by right tactics I mean be a very good shot with good bow, run like the wind or use invisibility and sneak past em.

Casting Invisibility will still make a noise alerting anything close to you. Quiet casting is really a must for a stealth mage.

thinking more about the illusion thing, whenever you 'unequip' a bow, it goes back to your last used 1h set up on the xbox. so i could equip resto and invis, then equip my bow, so whenever i need tactical casting, i just unequip my bow, then either cast healing to regen my stamina, or invis to get out of trouble, then re-equip my bow. illusion is sounding better i dont think i want any perks in it, but i will definitely think about using the school when ive got my enchanting up as for those last 4 points that i took out of barter, they could easily go in necromage IF i keep vampirism, and respite for more sniping time. Resto would be a stam regen more than a healing thing, the regen on health would just be a bonuse side affect, potions will be my proper heals.

5/5 - Overdrawn, Eagle Eye and 1/2 - Steady hand are the only decent archery skills. Other than for rp purposes, the rest are next to useless or aren't needed. Critical shot simply takes a percentage from the bow's base damage (not the smithed base damage), so it's a wasted perk point or 3.

this build is pretty heavily RP tbh, i didn't min/max for kickassness or awesomsaucedamage. i just wanted something that felt arcane archery. Dipping into illusion does seem to fit in with the class well. i'm more about the fun of the class than the ability to be OP tbh. its not that i like the game hard, or like the game easy, i just want to actually get a feel of who the guy i'm playing actually is. This guy is an archer, who relies on magic effects and confusion to 'play with his prey'. i actually am that sadistic on him. i could easily run into a room, put the slow mo shots on and kill most of the guys in there before being spotted, but i play with them, kill them one at a time, lure them to spots in the room and shoot them over a table etc. use the throw voice shout to confuse them further and all sorts. i especially like killing people over large drops. Illusion is a theme that would fit in well with this character, and i know there's lots of talents i could easily drop, but if i did, i wouldn't know where else i could put them. So if anyone else wants to mention about talents i could drop, feel free, but please tell me where you would suggest putting them instead within the limitations i've noted on this page, and bear in mind the archery trickery theme.

so far very good ideas have been to put my waste points in:

Illusion (but no idea where on that tree)
Restoration : get respite for stamina regen and as a 'first aid'. proper heals still being from alchemy. maybe necromage if i dont cure my vampirism. (but i probably will)

i havent fully decided what to remove yet, as i dont know what to put in its place yet :S

thanks for all the advice you lot have given me so far tho its much appreciated.

ive just thought of more [censored]wittery i can do on enemies if i do go the illusion route, imagine stealthing in and casting fury right in the middle of a group, then popping invis and runnign away to fetch the popcorn