Is anyone else worried that Adventure Zones are going to be an afterthought in ESO? Adventure Zones are the large scale PvE (or Raids) of ESO (although ZOS doesn’t like the word Raids). In any case, I cant help but feel that AZs sound more and more like an afterthought. In the latest interview Paul Sage said:

“For large group PvE we have what we call Adventure Zones, and we haven’t really revealed a lot of details on Adventure Zones yet, but we definitely want to make sure that there is something there for those larger groups to do.”

We want to make sure is something there for those larger groups to do? Really? That does not sound like a serious and comprehensive feature at all.

I am sure some people will say that I am over-anolyzing what Sage said, but I think their overall attitude towards AZs and how they discuss and look at them, says a lot about what we should expect. I don’t think I ever have heard any developer talk about a major feature as “we just want to make sure there is something there”.

Anyways, I am personally worried. What about you?

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No, because they are currently working on how they are making AZ. There is no need for them to release to us how they are like till they are actually done with them. In a Buffed article that came out the same day it said that ZOS is working on AZs right now and have hopes for them being in by launch. I think you need to stop worrying so damn much about AZs because they haven't said anything about them. We don't even have a damn release date yet. I mean seriously we have potentially 7 more months before this game is even released. And if they aren't ready by the time launch happens, but are a month after is that really a big deal? No it's not.

Time will tell of course. Certainly a concern but honestly not going to keep repeating the same thoughts in new threads every other day. The fact that they dropped using "after launch" is reassuring enough for me and now I'm just taking a wait and see approach.

You need to stop getting so worked up over a innocent questions, don't like the thread then stay out of the thread.

Repeat after me "i'm not a dev or a mod" stop acting like one.

ZeniMax don't need you to be their knight in shining armour every time someone asked a question you don't like.

Some of us have learnt not to hang on to a devs every word.

I think we do need to worry about it. Endgame PvE is the difference between an MMO thriving for years and lasting for months. I personally do not think that ZOS is taking long term endgame PvE seriously. They seem to be deluding themselves that 50++ content will keep people busy for more than a month or two (will never happen).

Ah watch the drama unfold!

So its ok though for YOU to act like a mod and tell others what and how to post? How Convenient.

Think you have me mixed up with yourself.

Oh and here comes the Skeptic police who comes along and has to rail on people because he doesn't like that someone might actually like the game. Oh noes watch out.

How about you take the time to not go into every thread and not reply to people and subtly call them fan boys.

When the [censored] did I ever mention or imply that I was a "Dev or Mod" Maybe if you actually read any of the articles yesterday you can see that maybe I'm conveying what was said and not just making [censored] up.

No I think he's right. All you do is go into posts and rail on people for liking the game. So why don't you take a step back and look yourself in the mirror.

But now we are derailing the thread.

Right because I'm the one that goes around scolding people for being too positive and liking things too much, thats you pal. Just saying you attack other posters and tell them what they should and shouldn't post while doing so yourself. Pretty hypocritical.

Endgame PvE being what makes games thrive for years on end? I will only agree a little on that, but no that's not completely true. DAoC is still around and a P2P game and it's main purpose is PvP. You can easily make a game that's main focus is PvP and still have some endgame PvE and still do well.

Just because they haven't released any information out on AZ doesn't mean they aren't taking it seriously. We know that before that AZ were suppose to be for solo, small, and large groups, but not it seems that they want AZ to be completely used for raiding. So obviously they had to go and change the design mechanics for AZ and make them fit the endgame PvE system. So they probably aren't ready right now to release any information on them, but will be soon. I wouldn't be surprised if they talked about them a bit more in E3. Obviously, they wouldn't go into a lot of detail on them, but would throw out some tidbits.

Again, you must have me mixed up with yourself and we both know i'm not your pal lol.

If you think constructive criticism is scolding then you need more life skills, i'm just not an "everything is fine" follower.

OP, I would not worry too much about it. They have said all along they would not have classical raids, but they said they would have PvE stuff for mass groups. We will just have to wait to see if it is fun in the end.

Yeah...not really. A PvP focused game can be just fine without catering to the raidfans as long as the game isn't riddled with terrible imbalances (one class/build that just clearly dominates and destroys everything else without mercy). Raiders are very arrogant if they think a game has to be a PvE game to stand a chance. They've said they'll have large scale and small scale PvE, they never said PvE would be the game focus though. Its looking more and more like it might not be to be honest.

@leperchans: Don't let them draw you in bro, we're hopeless [censored] in their eyes because we actually like 90% of what we've seen so far. I suspect most of them are tourists and won't be around long anyway, while they jump from MMO to MMO looking for a perfect game that doesn't exist.

edit: lol, fan-boys gets censored? What in the hell.

I am a mod and I am now asking nicely to cut out the personal attacks, arguments and picking at each other. Discuss the topic please, if I have to come back here again it will be in my "Very Grumpy Bear" guise - OK?

Assuming one likes to pvp.

PvE raids are the life blood of players who do not.

I thought I remember them talking about AZs when they first announced a year ago but i could be wrong.

I remember having the identical discussions before GW2 released. Me and a few others where saying that MMORPGs like GW2 cannot focus primarily on PvP, there needs to be a robust PvE endgame to keep people playing. I also remember the funboyz insisting you don't need endgame PvE focus and raiders should go back to WoW. Of course we all know what happened, people played GW2 until endgame and because the focus was in AvAvA PvP and not PvE everyone got bored and left.

I am going to say it again here. MMORPGs need to focus in PvE. There are other games that do PvP a lot better than an MMORPG could possible do. For example PlanetSide 2 will always do AvAvA much better than ESO could possibly do and I am not just talking about the class balance, graphics or the real action combat.

RPGs are about the story and the PvE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN AN PVP-FOCUSED MMORPG THRIVE IN THE LONG RUN. EVER. Not sure why people keep bringing up DAoC. That game never managed to be mainstream. Thriving and existing are two very different things.

I don't want ESO to be another GW2 release, but to me it seems that's where we are heading.

Well if we listen to the Paul Sage interview that was released yesterday he doesn't say "after launch" when talking about AZ's. So hopefully we can take that to mean they now have a clear plan as to what they want to do with their "raids" and are now planing for it to be in at launch.

Thank god it's not just a PVP focused game then.

I really wouldn't worry, contrary to belief TESO has a vast amount of PVE content in fact it has more PVE content than PVP content.

Three massive faction areas to explore all with there own lore, content, quests plus cities.

Loads of PVE instanced and open dungeon that open up again at level 50.

Adventure Zones that are large group content.

And on top of that you cal also PVE in the ONLY PVP area in the game.

Anyone who says this is a mainly a PVP game hasn't done his or her homework about TESO.

You have nothing to worry about.

My point was PvP is the lifeblood of players that don't like PvE, why can it be so hard for people to believe that both types of players exist and some games might cater to one and not the other sometimes?

I am not getting into this debate again, but I will say that anyone who expected more out of GW2 than what we got doesn't realize that's just how a B2P MMO is going to turn out. It didn't fail because it didn't have PvE focus, it failed because it wasn't very good. I'm genuinely hoping for more of a DAOC type of game out of TESO.

What. D3 has PvP now. It just svcks really bad. You go into one map and just free for all beat each other with really buggy and broken mechanics.

Oh thank goodness, its been confirmed!

This we can definitely agree on. There's nothing for the PvE crowd to worry about, because it will be there.