Since the draugr are ancient nords, are they nedes or does that only apply to atmoran dwellers? Yngol was an atmoran though his remains seem older and he attacks as a shade...

Also, are the bonemen, mistmen and wrathmen souls of ancient nords, possibly even older than draugrs in Skyrim?

Can't speak for the Draugr but the bonemen/mistmen are corrupted souls that have spent too long in the soul cairn, they take the appearance of draugr cause Bethesda was too lazy to give them a new character model so they just made them all Ancient nords. You know, cause CLEARLY nowhere ELSE in the whole of nirn has soul trapping.

I'd say Nords, Im not really familiar with the timeline of ancient Skyrim, but Im pretty sure that the dragons weren't around during the eradication of the snow elves, so that suggests that it was a while before the whole dragon priest thing came along, which later resulted in draugr, so this means that there was time for the Nedes to evolve into Nords before the Dragons.

perhaps the Soul Cairn we visit is somehow related to Skyrim's souls since that's where the portal to is bound from.

I considered this, but it doesn't explain the presence of a certain Dunmer soul from Morrowind you meet there.

The dragon war actually happened before the eradication of the snow elves. When men were still in Skyrim, and not in Atmora.

Yeah, I theorized for myself that it was just the "nordic" part of the Soulcairn, because the portal was in Skyrim.
What bothers me more than the appereance of the guys is there equipment. They look different to Draugr actually, but they are wielding ancient Nord stuff.
Strange... maybe it is a heavily nordic influenced region of the Soul Cairn, but not exclusive for trapped Nord souls.


The Dragon Cult arose on Atmora, though.
I don't think that your statement is correct, but the timeline of the ancient Nords doesn't make sense to me, so I may be wrong.

Think about it, Ysgramor started the first era, he never fought dragons. The cult was started during the time of the dragons before the war, and we see the men fighting Alduin at the war in Skyrim. If the war happened after the eradication of the elves, why do people know about Ysgramor but not the heroes that defeated the dragons?

I read conflicting ingame stuff.
In one book/document it's mentioned specifically that the Dragon Cult arose on Atmora and that it was twisted in Skyrim, while it remained beneficial back home on Atmora.
Another document states that during a campaign against the Falmer, some general stumbled across the remains of the Dragon Cult in a temple.
I really don't know what to make out of it.
Would you be so kind and create a topic in the Lore forums about that? I am quite interested in that timeline.

I'll see, but I do remember that it says somewhere that the dragon cult came from Skyrim and were some of the first men to reach atmora. That would make sense.

I guess the lore buffs can help us out.
I would create the topic myself but I am afraid my english isn't well enough to describe the problem appropriately.

Also, remember that the dragon war happened in Skyrim, and the dragons were the ones who gave the dragon priests their power.

Your english is fine. i couldnt even tell english wasnt your native tongue.

Well, thank you very much kind Nord.
But I lack immensely if it comes to the description of rather complex stuff.

I guess they are Nedes then, I forgot that Nedes lived in Skyrim before they went to Atmora.

I'm of the opinion that the Dragon Cult was brought to Skyrim from Atmora by Ysgramor and/or those who followed him, and only became twisted and oppressive after Ysgramor's time, at which point the Dragon Wars occurred.

The fact that "modern" Nords remember and revere Ysgramor, but don't seem to have the same knowledge about the three heroes who first defeated Alduin, doesn't really mean much. Those three, despite their prominence in *our* experience, were only three among many ancient heroes who were taught the Thu'um and used it to win against Alduin and his minions, not to mention against other enemies who came later. Ysgramor's place in Nord history is unique; nothing that came after could have happened without him.

Well, this book seems to tell a different story:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Dragon_War

It is a member of the Dragon Cult that started the genocide actually (Bethesda's Loremaster practically confirmed that Ysgrammor was a member of the Dragon Cult (and possibly even a Dragon Priest) but that Nords intentionally forgot that part after the Dragon Cult became unpopular).

As for what Draugr are, most are Nords tough these are other races as well... I think one is even an (Fal)Mer.

But the Dragon War must have taken place before the genozide, considering that document of some General fighting the Falmer stumbling across the remains of the Dragon Cult. That was after the Dragon War.
When was it then? During the time the elves and humans from Atmora lived peacefully together?

Hard to know, Nords are horrible historians. Tough I think that Falmer Genocide laster longer than the Dragon War and might have continued even after the Snow Prince was killed. The Falmer he was pursuing might have been survivors of first genocides (even after Snow Prince's death, Falmer who didn't go to Blackreach created enclaves like the Forgotten Vale... no doubt Nords discovered some of them).

I guess Nords are superhuman after all, fighting as colonists a war against a magically advanced civilizazion (Falmer) AND supernatural Dragons.

Oh, and to add to teh topic:

Nedes and Nords being related was old Imperial Propaganda that was supposed to bring Nords and Cyrodilians closer.
Thus, it is quite likely that Nords originally being from Skyrim rather than Atmora is also propaganda.

Nedes were absorbed into the modern races, including Nords, so the answer is yes and no.

Yes, the impossible man makes me chuckle as well.

Possible, but we know from the elder scroll that the dragon war took place in Skyrim, and we know that the dragon war happened before ysgramor came to tamriel. So its not a stretch to assume they really did.