I would love to see a mod that lets us assassinate or take out Maven Blackbriar. I realize that there will be a lot of factors involved with such a thing, but I do hope someone does it. Maybe make it possible once most quests were she is important are done.

Ahh! I see I'm not the only one who wants her dead!

And while you're at it, allow us to destroy the Thieves Guild and make Riften a safe place once more!

Definitely. I'd install this one like a shot.

Don't make it easy - hell, make it brutally hard - and have all kinds of horrible consequences for taking her out, but yeah, if there's one NPC who really needs to be killable, it's her.

Why not make her unessential, turn into a werewolf and maul her? Problem solved. A mod would be nice, true, but the Thieve's Guild would be pissed off.

Ah, yeah. That sounds great.

The Thieve's Guild would be angry about a mod? Anyway, a mod needs to be made because just turning her unessential and killing her will leave to many things broken. An actual mod needs to be made.

+ One
and also I would like to take out Brynjolf!

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Also, why does Mavin She is clearly a criminal..

I agree that a well thought out mod needs to be made.

We also need a option to destroy the thieves guild, and once all members are dead, if you are a member of the dark brotherhood, once you reach a certain point, you're sent to Delvin to buy upgrades. but with him dead, you're now directed to another NPC that spawns in a different location.

We also need it to join with destroying the dark brotherhood, in this way, with both criminal sects out of the way, Maven has absolutely NO protection...plus why should I be scared of her? She's human, she can bleed, and die...so why are people so scared of criminals? Really, why be scared of them? If they want to terrorise you, just have courage and KILL them and anyone associated with them! Burn them all, I say...and good riddance!

I also wonder why you, the dragonborn, get treated like dirt by everyone in the game, even after the main quest is completed...Even if you're the leader of both the thieves guild AND the dark brotherhood, members of the groups still treat you like your inferior to them, despite the fact you are their boss...and very powerfull indeed; that's like having a common stormtrooper telling Darth Vader or Darth Sidious/The Emporer "I don't care if you're a sith lord, you better not make any trouble here or I'll bash in your skull" and when they get killed, Vader or Sidious is reprimanded and kicked out of the Empire until they pay a fine (even though they ARE the empire).

Or, if you're a good guy, it would be like telling Akatosh himself "So you're the god of time eh? am I supposed to be impressed?"

Only total IDIOTS with a death wish would say that, but alas, they are 'essential' in this game.

Someone put a post up about a better destroy-the-DB quest they were planning; I forget who.

Me, I want to get rid of the Black-Briars and the Silver-Bloods both. What crooks. As guildmaster, I'd like to reform the Thieves' Guild a bit - not a lot, but enough - and then start quietly picking off and replacing their more noxious "patrons".

the original jarl of riften, jarl laila lawgiver, is a really good jarl. Sadly, she was controlled by maven and she believed maven's lies. If there was a mod that requires me to assassinate the entire black briar family(besides ingrid), i will do it.
Also, the silverbloods are $*&@(&$)( retards. I slashed thongar's throat after he released me from cidna mine.

Or make a "Gray Fox" Mod that, after becoming the GuildMasters of the Thieves Guild, you can begin changing the Guild to be the Gray Fox's Views. "Steal from the Rich and give to the Poor!" This SHOULD include quests involving taking down Maven Black-Briar.

I like the Silverbloods because they are on Stormcloaks side, and they want the Forsworn to die as well as I. I hate the Forsworn; so annoying...

I have an idea to incorporate into this mod.

Make it so you can destroy Maven from the inside; you'll need to be the leader of the Dark Brotherhood and the thieves guild first Plus you must have sided with the Stormcloaks (makes it easier), then you kill everyone who works at her meadery, and assassinate her children, then speak to Vex in the guild and she will tell you Maven is here with Maul, go and see her in the cistern and tell her that you are no longer playing the fool, nor are you taking any more crap from her; you're taking over her business and she's outlived her use to you...You then order your fellow thieves to gut her and Maul on the spot. (make this scene sort of like a Scarface situation). Dirge, who is Maul's brother, will try and save them, and he gets killed as well.

New NPC's will take over at the meadery (that you own now), and every week you can go and collect income from the weeks takings. Plus a new bouncer takes over the Ragged Flagon; let's make him a Orc who looks like Lurtz from Lord of the Rings, only he is very respectfull to you.

Riften is now under YOUR control...oh, and any crime you commit, you get a special response 'do you know who you're talking to?' and the guards or npc's who try and attack you will appologise, pay you 'please dont hurt me' money, then run away and cower from you, plus, script it so they can't send hired thugs on you, nor can they fight back (they'll just stand there and appologise for being in the way of your fist), making you even worse than Maven; you can also kill your fellow thieves (like rude ones) and because you're the boss who's also the leader of the dark brotherhood and not to mention a very dangerously powerful dragonborn, you can't be kicked out, instead the others will say "dead eh? hah! we didn't need 'em anyway!"

Behold! You've become a mob boss! With Maven dead, your reputation spreads; all shall fear you!

I also found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogwBf1XMRbU

I would prefer that it did not hinge on siding with the Storm Cloaks, as I despise them nearly as much as I despise Maven.

But I LOOOOVE that video! lol

The reason why I put the "side with the stormcloaks" is because if you join the Imperials, Maven takes over as Jarl, and we don't want that, do we?

If we do kill Maven, and side with the empire, we'll need a new NPC Jarl and housecarl, so you can still buy a house and get quests from them as normal.

I really think this mod should be made, both for evil characters or good guys, so we can off her and her 2 sons. Her son who hangs about with her thinks I can't swing a sword; I would have taken him on that bet and challenged him to kill a ancient dragon after first watching me kill an ancient dragon (without using shouts)...I bet you he will be running away as fast as he can.

I am so sick of these feeble NPC's talking down to me and me being unable to kill them. I also hate it how they seem completly oblivious to the fact that I AM the dragonborn....their stupidity is likened to this http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BullyingADragon meaning that they are too stupid to live; picking a fight with someone you dont know or care about without knowing what they can do is extremely foolish...even for a so-called mobster like Maven.

idiot : "I should bash your face in for what you did"

Me : "oh really? can YOU kill giants? can YOU take out entire castles of bandits, necromancers, forsworn and other horrible things? Have YOU wiped out the entire dark brotherhood? Can YOU kill ancient dragons and also defeat Alduin, basically saveing the ENTIRE planet!?!?......No? So what makes you think you can beat me? You have absolutely no chance, none whatsoever! Show a little respect or else I'LL bash YOUR face in!!!"

Idiot : (lip shaking, almost crying) ".................Y-you didn't have to take it too seriously man....I was only...." (runs off and bawls his eyes out)

If I were there, I'd kill off the dark brotherhood, and i'd also go after the morag tong, then kill off the thieves guild, destroy her meadery, exterminate her mercenaries and hired thugs, kill her two sons (her daughter seems ok, she hates her family) then I'd drown her in the sewers.

The morale of the story.....dont #### off or threaten a dragon or dragonborn! You will get burnt....badly!

Seriously! The NPC'S should know who you are, especially the ones in the guild/group you now lead!

Here is a classic example of "You don't know who I am? really?! I'm the guy/girl who just SAVED this planet/cosmos!!! What are you on?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MOmZIcN008

A new jarl choice could be modded in, or they could just make it so that the original Jarl says Jarl even if you do side with the Imperials. Or, she does become Jarl and you dethrone her and replace her with your own choice. So many possibilities, really. I just wish I had the talent myself.

I choose me. I'll be Jarl.

Definitely. i joined the dark brotherhood and becamwe listener to take out her AND the thieves guild by making her a target for assassination, but nooooo. Damn it. Bethesda! make this so! pleeeaaseee.

What happened to Helgen should happen to RIften.... but only the good citizens should survive.

I hate the Forsworn too but I still killed Thongar after he gave me my things back. He is half the reason these murders happened and the guard looked the other way.

Anyway on topic, a killable Maven is easy. What I would like to see is a mod that killing her or refusing/killing Brynjolf starts an anti-TG quest line(without having to kill the members necessarily). Lastly this should open Snow Veil Sanctum so you can get to the word wall. Also add an alternate Jarl in her place maybe.

Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood FOR LIFE!

I suppose assassinating her while she is Jarl would be a great spring-board for a mod that would allow the PC to become a Jarl.

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