[Relz] Bananasplit's Better Cities - Thread 39 : IV - Oblivion

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 7:18 pm

In the readme it says:
The Bank of Cyrodiil (by Zarkis) has been added to the IC Market and related to the Gold Horse Courier.

Was BoC plugin modified during integration to work with the Gold Horse Courier? Or did I misunderstand that line?
The reason I'm asking is, I'm thinking of adding dialog options for larger deposits and I want to work with the latest revision.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:11 pm

~~He means full integration, as in do not use Bank of Cyrodiil with Better Cities anymore because Bank of Cyrodiil is now part of the Better Cities base package.~~

EDIT: And yes, Bank of Cyrodiil has been modified a bit to use Gold Horse Courier services to access your account when outside the Imperial City. Sorry, misunderstood your post when I first read it.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:12 am

In the original Bank of Cyrodiil mod, you could visit a vanilla shopkeeper in each city to access your bank account. In Better Cities, you instead access the Gold Horse Courier in each city to access your bank account - the vanilla shopkeepers no longer have anything to do with the Bank. The Bank of Cyrodiil ESP itself no longer exists in Better Cities, all BoC content has been transferred into our ESM, and all Form IDs and Editor IDs have been changed, all scripts recompiled using the new Editor IDs. To make any changes to the Bank in Better Cities, you would need to create a new ESP dependant on our ESM.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:44 pm

In the original Bank of Cyrodiil mod, you could visit a vanilla shopkeeper in each city to access your bank account. In Better Cities, you instead access the Gold Horse Courier in each city to access your bank account - the vanilla shopkeepers no longer have anything to do with the Bank. The Bank of Cyrodiil ESP itself no longer exists in Better Cities, all BoC content has been transferred into our ESM, and all Form IDs and Editor IDs have been changed, all scripts recompiled using the new Editor IDs. To make any changes to the Bank in Better Cities, you would need to create a new ESP dependant on our ESM.

Great. Thanks for clarifying.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:32 pm

Howdy, just a couple little problems to report on ver 4-9-0

When I go into the options in the menu for Leyawiin I do not receive an option to toggle Leyawiin to an open city.

When I click on the Guide to personalize Better Cities and scroll down to where it lists you can alternately type something to open the cities. For leyawiin it lists this: Leyawiin: OBCSkingradToggleQuest. But I can type startquest obcleyawiintogglequest and it toggles opens Leyawiin.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:39 pm

Thanks, I think we were both a little strained and worn out when 4.9.0 was released, updating the in-game menu and the player note are some of the last things done before a release, looks like we forgot one and copy/pasted the wrong thing into the other.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:08 am

Having a land tear outside of Cheydinhal. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm150/far327/ScreenShot2.jpg

Below is my load order...

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]09  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.0]0A  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0B  Colourwheels sixy Female NPCs.esp0C  xeoex.esp0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]10  Better Cities .esp11  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]17  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]18  DLCHorseArmor.esp19  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]1A  DLCOrrery.esp1B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1C  DLCVileLair.esp1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]1E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]20  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Armamentium female.esp21  Colourwheels sixy Stock Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp22  Colourwheels sixy SI Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp23  Slof's Horses Base.esp24  DLCThievesDen.esp25  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]26  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]27  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]28  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp29  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2A  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]2C  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]2D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2E  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]2F  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]30  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]32  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoWyverns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_ArcheryHunting&Crafting.esp  [Version 1]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp3C  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp  [Version 1.2]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp3D  CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp  [Version 0.2]3E  CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp  [Version 1.1]3F  CNRP DB for OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]40  CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]41  CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]42  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]43  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp44  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp45  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  DLCFrostcrag.esp47  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]48  Knights.esp49  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  DLC_MOBS.esp++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]4A  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4B  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4C  xulTheHeath.esp4D  XulEntiusGorge.esp4E  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4F  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]50  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]51  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]52  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]53  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]54  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]55  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]56  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]57  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]58  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]59  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]5A  xulPantherRiver.esp5B  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5C  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]5D  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]5E  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]5F  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]60  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]61  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]62  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]63  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp64  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp65  SetBody.esp66  MidasSpells.esp67  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]68  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]69  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]6A  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]6B  ProgressRacial.esp6C  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp6D  CapsAdmin.esp6E  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.9.0]6F  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]70  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]71  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]72  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]73  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]74  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.0]75  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]76  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]77  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]78  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.9.0]79  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.9.0]**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]7A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

EDIT: After moving Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
below Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp the tear went away.
Strange that BOSS didn't order this properly, and strange that an FPS patch would effect water?
Should I report this to the BOSS thread?

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:24 am

Yes please suggest moving the UL patch below the FPS patch. All BC FPS patches ought to be placed immediately after the main BC ESPs, with compatibility patches loading after FPS patches.

It isn't strange at all that an FPS patch would affect water, because the FPS patch disables objects in various cells in the city. Water height is controlled by the CELL record, and any mod which edits an object in a cell must include the CELL record containing that object. The FPS patch will include the water height from the BC City ESP itself, while the UL patch sets the water height to match the UL mod. Until BC Cheydinhal contained the Open option, there was no need for the FPS patch to touch the Tamriel worldspace, but now it does need to, as the FPS patch disables everything in the Tamriel worldspace from BC which it already disabled from the Cheydinhal worldspace.

Since the Open option for BC is fairly new, this hasn't been an issue before so up until this point the load order set by BOSS has been fine.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:30 am

Having a land tear outside of Cheydinhal. http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm150/far327/ScreenShot2.jpg

Below is my load order...

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]09  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.0]0A  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0B  Colourwheels sixy Female NPCs.esp0C  xeoex.esp0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0E  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]10  Better Cities .esp11  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]17  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]18  DLCHorseArmor.esp19  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]1A  DLCOrrery.esp1B  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1C  DLCVileLair.esp1D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]1E  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1F  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]20  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Armamentium female.esp21  Colourwheels sixy Stock Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp22  Colourwheels sixy SI Armor & Clothing Replacer.esp23  Slof's Horses Base.esp24  DLCThievesDen.esp25  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]26  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]27  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]28  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp29  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2A  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2B  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]2C  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]2D  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2E  OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]2F  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]30  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]32  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]33  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoWyverns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]**  FCOM_ArcheryHunting&Crafting.esp  [Version 1]**  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3B  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp3C  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - Loot Only.esp  [Version 1.2]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer for OOO.esp**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp3D  CNRP Bruma4OOO.esp  [Version 0.2]3E  CNRP Chorrol4OOO.esp  [Version 1.1]3F  CNRP DB for OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]40  CNRP Cheydinhal4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]41  CNRP FightersGuild4OOO.esp  [Version 1.0]42  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]43  Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp44  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp45  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]46  DLCFrostcrag.esp47  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]48  Knights.esp49  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  DLC_MOBS.esp++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]4A  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]4B  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4C  xulTheHeath.esp4D  XulEntiusGorge.esp4E  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4F  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]50  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]51  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]52  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]53  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]54  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]55  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]56  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]57  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]58  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]59  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]5A  xulPantherRiver.esp5B  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5C  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]5D  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]5E  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]5F  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]60  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]61  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]62  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]63  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp64  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp65  SetBody.esp66  MidasSpells.esp67  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]68  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]69  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]6A  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]6B  ProgressRacial.esp6C  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.76]++  EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp6D  CapsAdmin.esp6E  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.9.0]6F  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]70  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.8.4]71  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]72  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]73  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]74  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.0]75  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]76  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]77  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]78  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.9.0]79  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp  [Version 4.9.0]**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]7A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

EDIT: After moving Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
below Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp the tear went away.
Strange that BOSS didn't order this properly, and strange that an FPS patch would effect water?
Should I report this to the BOSS thread?

I have similar "Land Tears" in a few spots, (bridge south of Bravil, north of ChorrolI...) just figured it was "Normal" for Oblivion, in most every case, their gone with a Save and Reload.
No idea if their related to BC or not, I Did get a Screenie of the one South if Bravil,,,
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Brozly/ScreenShot0-4.jpg
And directly after Reload.. http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Brozly/ScreenShot1-3.jpg :shrug:

Load Order

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  VASE - core.esm09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.0]0D  TRoN.esp**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.2]0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp11  Better Cities .esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp15  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]17  Fran Armor Add-on.esp18  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp19  FranOBSEConfig.esp  [Version 0.5]**  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Original Text.esp1A  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]1B  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2]1C  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1D  P1DseeYouSleep.esp1E  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3.1]1F  FormID Finder4.esp20  Get Wet.esp21  kuerteeActorDetails.esp22  kuerteeCleanUp.esp23  Streamline 3.1.esp24  Landmarks, w Wells.esp  [Version 1.11]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp25  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp26  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp27  Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs.esp28  Andragorn_Weapons_Armors.esp29  DarkWoods_Weapons_Armor.esp2A  tda_Armoury.esp**  TGND.esp**  TGND_SI.esp**  Armamentium female.esp2B  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]2C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]2D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]32  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]33  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]34  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]++  Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs - Armamentarium piggyback.esp35  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]36  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls.esp  [Version 1.1]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]39  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoSpiders.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp  [Version 2]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp3C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp3D  Akaviri Imports.esp3E  Amen'thalas.esp3F  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]40  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp41  DarknessHollows.esp42  Hentai Mania.esp++  FCOM_Hentai Mania.esp  [Version 0.8]43  Peruggia's Passage.esp44  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]45  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.1]46  Knights.esp47  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp48  Mighty Umbra.esp49  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp4A  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.2.COBL]4B  MannimarcoComplete.esp4C  MannimarcoRevisited.esp4D  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]4E  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Wellspring Vale.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]51  Automagic Bags.esp52  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp53  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]54  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.09]55  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 1.0]56  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]57  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]58  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  IDKRRR_C_race.esp5A  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]5B  Sonia.esp5C  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]5D  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.9.0]5E  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.8.4]5F  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]60  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.0]61  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]62  TheOubliette.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  UnderdarkSaga.esp64  UnderdarkMap.esp65  Companion Compatibility.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]66  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]++  OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.00]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]67  Bashed Patch, 2.esp

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:10 am

I have similar "Land Tears" in a few spots, (bridge south of Bravil, north of ChorrolI...) just figured it was "Normal" for Oblivion, in most every case, their gone with a Save and Reload.
No idea if their related to BC or not, I Did get a Screenie of the one South if Bravil,,,
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Brozly/ScreenShot0-4.jpg
And directly after Reload.. http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Brozly/ScreenShot1-3.jpg :shrug:

That isn't a land tear, that's an entire cell missing its land record. This happens sometimes when your game is overloaded and has run out of memory to load that land record. It's not caused by any mods, as it can occur in a game with no mods installed at all, and is most likely due to the game engine failing to fully purge the cell buffer as well as it should. As you already found out, quitting to desktop and reloading will resolve that every time.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:08 pm

I'm seeing that the mod has now to modify the AI packages list of a lot of NPCs to add the Open Cities versions of them. This causes incompatibility with other mods that also alter these actors (like Knights of the Nine, again). Since Better Cities has to load very low to ensure no worldspace oddities (or maybe that's just the IC plugins?), skillful tagging with Wrye Bash seems to be the only solution.

Or maybe not, my idea would be to move all those changes to actors to an .esp file that would only contain the changes to actor's AI packages lists, with {{BASH:Actors.AIPAckages,Deactivate}} tags. Users with Wrye Bash could keep it deactivated and imported into the bashed patch with Import Actors, those who don't can keep it activated and deal with compatibility some other way, but anyone who isn't intending to use Open Cities can do without it.

Well, that is my idea, I just would like to avoid having to do yet another BBC patch for Knights of the Nine and similar.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:47 pm

Actually all our ESPs should already be Bash tagged using the tags I was informed would ensure fully compatibility when I asked in the Wrye Bash thread (I hope I didn't forget to add the tags though, thinking about it, I bet I did, so they'll need adding in our next release).
I did also consider what you're suggesting, either placing the actor records into a separate ESP purely for OBC users, or actually adding them into our ESM (it is safe to edit actor records from one ESM in another ESM). In the end I decided not to worry about it until after I had finished making every single city Open-able, so that all actors which needed editing would have been edited.
There will not be any patches made purely to overwrite actor AI package lists, as this is what Wrye Bash handles automatically (as long as I remember the tags).

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:32 am

In the original Bank of Cyrodiil mod, you could visit a vanilla shopkeeper in each city to access your bank account. In Better Cities, you instead access the Gold Horse Courier in each city to access your bank account - the vanilla shopkeepers no longer have anything to do with the Bank. The Bank of Cyrodiil ESP itself no longer exists in Better Cities, all BoC content has been transferred into our ESM, and all Form IDs and Editor IDs have been changed, all scripts recompiled using the new Editor IDs. To make any changes to the Bank in Better Cities, you would need to create a new ESP dependant on our ESM.

Any chance you could post the formID of the relevant NPC refs? Enhanced Economy kept compatibility with the original Bank of Cyrodiil mod by checking for its existence and then making sure not to adjust the amount of gold received from the NPC handling the bank accounts, and this compatibility needs to be added for the BC version too. What I need is the formId of any NPCs that will hand out money from your bank account.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:25 am

I have similar "Land Tears" in a few spots, (bridge south of Bravil, north of ChorrolI...) just figured it was "Normal" for Oblivion, in most every case, their gone with a Save and Reload.
No idea if their related to BC or not, I Did get a Screenie of the one South if Bravil,,,
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Brozly/ScreenShot0-4.jpg
And directly after Reload.. http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab289/Brozly/ScreenShot1-3.jpg :shrug:

Load Order

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  underdark.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.2]03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  VASE - core.esm09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.9.0]0D  TRoN.esp**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]0E  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.2]0F  DLCShiveringIsles.esp10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]++  Shivering OOO.esp11  Better Cities .esp12  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp14  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp15  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]16  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]17  Fran Armor Add-on.esp18  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp19  FranOBSEConfig.esp  [Version 0.5]**  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Original Text.esp1A  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.2]1B  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.2]1C  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1D  P1DseeYouSleep.esp1E  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.3.1]1F  FormID Finder4.esp20  Get Wet.esp21  kuerteeActorDetails.esp22  kuerteeCleanUp.esp23  Streamline 3.1.esp24  Landmarks, w Wells.esp  [Version 1.11]++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp25  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp26  Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp27  Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs.esp28  Andragorn_Weapons_Armors.esp29  DarkWoods_Weapons_Armor.esp2A  tda_Armoury.esp**  TGND.esp**  TGND_SI.esp**  Armamentium female.esp2B  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]2C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]2D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]2E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp2F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]31  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.09]32  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB5]33  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]**  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]**  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]34  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]++  Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs - Armamentarium piggyback.esp35  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]36  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls.esp  [Version 1.1]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderhardcoe.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]39  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_LessRats.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoSpiders.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_NoReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_NoAdventurersInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp  [Version 2]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]**  Fransfemale.esp3C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp3D  Akaviri Imports.esp3E  Amen'thalas.esp3F  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]40  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp41  DarknessHollows.esp42  Hentai Mania.esp++  FCOM_Hentai Mania.esp  [Version 0.8]43  Peruggia's Passage.esp44  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]45  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.1]46  Knights.esp47  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp48  Mighty Umbra.esp49  The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp4A  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.2.COBL]4B  MannimarcoComplete.esp4C  MannimarcoRevisited.esp4D  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]++  FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]4E  FCOM_DulanCult.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Wellspring Vale.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]50  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]51  Automagic Bags.esp52  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp53  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]54  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.09]55  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 1.0]56  RefScope.esp  [Version 2.0.2]57  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]58  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.90]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.90]++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp  [Version 0.78]++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]59  IDKRRR_C_race.esp5A  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]5B  Sonia.esp5C  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]5D  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.9.0]5E  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.8.4]5F  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp  [Version 4.7.0]60  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.9.0]61  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]62  TheOubliette.esp**  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]63  UnderdarkSaga.esp64  UnderdarkMap.esp65  Companion Compatibility.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]66  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]++  OOO Harvest Containers Filter patch for mods.esp  [Version 1.00]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.2]67  Bashed Patch, 2.esp

Brozley:

Look at this post in the UOP thread: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1136566-relz-unofficial-oblivion-patch-320-unofficial-patch-supplementals/page__view__findpost__p__16898439

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:52 pm

Actually all our ESPs should already be Bash tagged using the tags I was informed would ensure fully compatibility when I asked in the Wrye Bash thread (I hope I didn't forget to add the tags though, thinking about it, I bet I did, so they'll need adding in our next release).
I did also consider what you're suggesting, either placing the actor records into a separate ESP purely for OBC users, or actually adding them into our ESM (it is safe to edit actor records from one ESM in another ESM). In the end I decided not to worry about it until after I had finished making every single city Open-able, so that all actors which needed editing would have been edited.
There will not be any patches made purely to overwrite actor AI package lists, as this is what Wrye Bash handles automatically (as long as I remember the tags).

I was approaching it from the wrong angle it seems. I forgot that there are a gazillion bash tags for any actor data field, so yeah, skillful tagging does resolve all issues I was having.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:14 am

Any chance you could post the formID of the relevant NPC refs? Enhanced Economy kept compatibility with the original Bank of Cyrodiil mod by checking for its existence and then making sure not to adjust the amount of gold received from the NPC handling the bank accounts, and this compatibility needs to be added for the BC version too. What I need is the formId of any NPCs that will hand out money from your bank account.

These are the NPC base record IDs:
0100FAB9
011869C1
0100FABA
011869C2
011869C3
011869C4
011869C5
011869C6
011869C8
011869C9

Some GHC branches have more than one employee, which is why there are more IDs than one per city.

I was approaching it from the wrong angle it seems. I forgot that there are a gazillion bash tags for any actor data field, so yeah, skillful tagging does resolve all issues I was having.

As I feared, I did forget to add the bash tag to a couple of the ESP files, this will be corrected in our next release if I don't relocate the actor records to a different ESP or to the ESM.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:17 am

I've been noticing some problems when I load up my game, I've got the latest version of better cities and a lot of other mods.

My problem is that when better cities imperial city is loaded correctly (so the better cities works for the marketplace etc) some of the things just outside of the Imperial city are not working as they are supposed to.

Problems
1. The Imperial city wall for the distant view isn't viewable (so all you see is a bare patch of land from far away) also the big tower isn't viewable so that kinda ruins it a lot for the distant view (I don't use the RAEVWD Imperial city or VWD Better cities, all I want is the original wall and nothing inside).
2. some of the land on the waterfront doesn't seem to be the way its supposed to be (there is tears in the underwater part near the waterfall, and apparently rocks have formed around one of the boats

).

I have screen-shots but I'm not sure which site to upload them to. I have a photo-bucket.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:44 am

I have screen-shots but I'm not sure which site to upload them to. I have a photo-bucket.

I recommend imageshack.us - it's free, and you don't even need an account, email address, or whatever. Though you can join the site, and get a few extra thingies, if you prefer. But anyway, there are plenty of other alternatives as well. Try Google...

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:19 pm

I recommend imageshack.us - it's free, and you don't even need an account, email address, or whatever. Though you can join the site, and get a few extra thingies, if you prefer. But anyway, there are plenty of other alternatives as well. Try Google...

Thanks I was just making up my mind as to whether to use it or not (as it gets rid of the pictures after a while, but that shouldn't matter for something like this.)

The missing Imperial City (no walls and tower)
http://img20.imageshack.us/i/oblivion201102020245024.jpg/

The rocks merging with the boat
http://img80.imageshack.us/i/oblivion201102020241352.jpg/
http://img202.imageshack.us/i/oblivion201102020241137.jpg/

The land tear (near the tree)
http://img152.imageshack.us/i/oblivion201102020235474.jpg/

The land tear underwater
http://img19.imageshack.us/i/oblivion201102020235373.jpg/

my load order

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Active Mod Files:Oblivion.esmAll Natural Base.esmCobl Main.esmOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esmTamrielTravellers.esmBetter Cities Resources.esmBathingMod_Base.esmA_Bloody_Mess.esmCM Partners.esmToaster Says Share v3.esmUnofficial Oblivion Patch.espDLCShiveringIsles.espUnofficial Shivering Isles Patch.espSM Plugin Refurbish - SI.espBetter Cities .espLoadingScreens.espAll Natural.espAll Natural - SI.espImmersive Interiors - Lights Addon.espEnhanced Water v2.0 HD.espAmbientTownSounds.espAtmospheric Oblivion.espPCSoundValygar.espRainbows.espAll Natural - Real Lights.espCities Alive At Night.espWindowLightingSystem.espAliveWaters_nofish.espBook Jackets Oblivion.esppersonality_idles4_nopc.espP1DseeYouSleep.espQ - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.espRAEVWD Cities.espRAEVWD New Sheoth.espSoT_Holiday.espLiving Economy.espLiving Economy - Items.espCutthroat Merchants.espChoices and Consequences.espkuerteeIgnoringTheMainQuestHasConsequences.espGet Wet - just droplets.espMusical Immersion 1.0.espOblivion Graphics Extender Support.espPurge Cell Buffers - Loading.espStreamline 3.1.espDLCHorseArmor.espDLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.espSM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.espDLCOrrery.espDLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.espSM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.espDLCVileLair.espDLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.espP1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.espDLCMehrunesRazor.espDLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.espSM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.espDLCSpellTomes.espDLCThievesDen.espDLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.espDLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.espSM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.espCobl Glue.espCobl Si.espOscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.espChoices and Consequences - OOO.espOOO 1.32-Cobl.espTamrielTravellerAdvscript.espTamrielTravellers4OOO.espTamrielTravellersItemsCobl.espShiveringIsleTravellers.espDLCBattlehornCastle.espDLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.espSM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.espDLCFrostcrag.espDLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.espSM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.espKnights.espKnights - Unofficial Patch.espChoices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.espRTT.espThe Lost Spires.espxuldarkforest.espLostSpires-DarkForest patch.espxulStendarrValley.espxulTheHeath.espXulEntiusGorge.espxulFallenleafEverglade.espLostSpires-Everglade patch.espxulColovianHighlands_EV.espxulChorrolHinterland.espxulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.espxulBravilBarrowfields.espxulLushWoodlands.espxulAncientYews.espxulAncientRedwoods.espxulCloudtopMountains.espxulArriusCreek.espxulPatch_AY_AC.espxulRollingHills_EV.espxulPantherRiver.espxulRiverEthe.espxulBrenaRiverRavine.espxulImperialIsle.espxulBlackwoodForest.espxulCheydinhalFalls.espxulAspenWood.espxulSkingradOutskirts.espxulSnowdale.espOOO-Snowdale Patch.espxulCliffsOfAnvil.espHarvest [Flora].espHarvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.espA Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.espDousing The Flames.espP1DkeyChain.espPersuasionOverhaul.espPersuasionOverhaul_OOO.espSalmo the Baker, Cobl.espRoleplaying Dialogues.espQuest Award Leveller.espQuest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.espQuest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.espBathingMod_Soap.espBathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.espBathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.espRealisticForceMedium.espStealthOverhaul.espDD_ProximitySneakPenalty.espZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.espZumbsLockpickingMod - Hide Difficulty Addon.espRenGuardOverhaul.espOblivion XP.espDark Dungeons -  SI.espTSS Custom Companion  Template.espToaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.espCM Partners.espCM Partners Special NPCs.espCM Partners NPC.espCM Partners More NPCs.espCM Partners Marker NPCs.espCM Partners Extra NPCs.espCompanion Postal Service.espBetter Cities Full.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.espBetter Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.espBetter Imperial City.espBetter Imperial City FPS Patch.espBetter Cities Full FPS Patch.espCobl Silent Equip Misc.espBashed Patch, 0.espBloodPotions.esp

I've tried with the fps patches up the top of the load order, with no difference.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:05 am

First issue: The VWD of IC plugin does not affect either the walls or tower, so by what you described it serves no purpose in your Load Order whatsoever. The way your Imperial City VWD looks, though, your problem there is unrelated to Better Cities, because you seem to be missing vanilla VWD meshes there.

Second issue: You forgot a compatibility patch. UL Imperial Isle, IC Waterfront. It's in the BC archive, so there's really no excuse for this one.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:07 pm

First issue: The VWD of IC plugin does not affect either the walls or tower, so by what you described it serves no purpose in your Load Order whatsoever. The way your Imperial City VWD looks, though, your problem there is unrelated to Better Cities, because you seem to be missing vanilla VWD meshes there.

Second issue: You forgot a compatibility patch. UL Imperial Isle, IC Waterfront. It's in the BC archive, so there's really no excuse for this one.

The first issue and the second issue go hand in hand. When Better cities is incorrect in the load order the Imperial city does have walls.
And I recently got the compatibility fixes Omod for the UL I assumed they would have had every patch. (the better cities main page doesn't list any link to the archive).

The VWD plugin isn't turned on, its just on the list for later on.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:47 pm

I see the BC permanent resources file was recently reuploaded to Nexus. Is there any change to actual contents of the archive itself, other than the readme file?

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:30 am

The first issue and the second issue go hand in hand. When Better cities is incorrect in the load order the Imperial city does have walls.
And I recently got the compatibility fixes Omod for the UL I assumed they would have had every patch. (the better cities main page doesn't list any link to the archive).

The VWD plugin isn't turned on, its just on the list for later on.

All BC/UL compatibility patches are in the BC archive, I don't know whether or not they are also in the patch compilation OMOD as I don't provide that file, I only provide the individual UL compatibility patches. Make sure you use the UL/BC patches supplied in the BC archive, NOT any which might be included in the UL patch OMOD compilation, as the ones in the UL patch OMOD could be out-dated.
The objects you show as missing for the IC when VWD are not touched by BC, so it's not likely to be related to BC at all.

I see the BC permanent resources file was recently reuploaded to Nexus. Is there any change to actual contents of the archive itself, other than the readme file?

All VWD _far NIF files were checked for unwanted data, those which needed data removing were updated.

» Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:20 am

All BC/UL compatibility patches are in the BC archive, I don't know whether or not they are also in the patch compilation OMOD as I don't provide that file, I only provide the individual UL compatibility patches. Make sure you use the UL/BC patches supplied in the BC archive, NOT any which might be included in the UL patch OMOD compilation, as the ones in the UL patch OMOD could be out-dated.
The objects you show as missing for the IC when VWD are not touched by BC, so it's not likely to be related to BC at all.

All VWD _far NIF files were checked for unwanted data, those which needed data removing were updated.

Nvm I don't need a link now, I reinstalled Better cities and it installed the extra patch that wasn't installed before.
The better cities patches are installed as if you are installing better cities last.

» Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:40 pm

Yes I know, I made the patches and Ismelda scripted the OMOD install scripts. You'll notice I didn't provide a link, because I told you that the patch is in the BC archive.