It's October. As in, Halloween! They still celebrate Christmas, so why not other holidays.

As far as plant life 200+ years later is concerned, aside from nuclear winter and it being October again, it's 200 years of radiation storms, mutations, giant insects, warring factions, scavengers, raiders, super mutants, mini nukes, rampaging sentry bots, mad scientists, ghouls and God only knows what else. Is it really so hard to believe that the wasteland would lean just a little bit more on the scorched earth side than being a new Garden of Eden?

Ah yes.

I remember vividly the plant-life of Fallout 2..... where I worked out my VATS tactical movements against PLANTS that were moving and attacking me.... and those PLANTS were making VATS tactical movements against me !!!

As you said " It was a wildly different ecosystem than the one before the war".......

It sure was........ 'Chuckle'

You've ignored everything else he's said.

Hey. So. Its winter in new England right now. Tell me how many trees have leaves.

This thing happens during fall, where all of the leaves "fall" off of the trees. Both F3 and F4 are set in *drum roll* you guessed it- fall.


Fallout 3 had grasses and bushes, which would brown in the fall- when game events takes place. NV had a good deal, and F4 has much more vegetation than is being given credit. You can farm and there is a considerable amount of vegetation you can harvest out in the wastes.

it is fall, though. So you're not going to see leaves on trees


Aside from that. Please stop using real life examples to suggest what would or wouldn't happen to vegetation after a global nuclear event. Chernobyl and isolated nuclear tests are not the same thing. You simply cannot use them as examples as what would happen in the event of the entire planet being nuked. So, it just adds noise to the discussion, IMO.

Doesn't the Lore say that more atom bombs fell after that first one?


That would explain the barren wasteland.


Hell, theres even portable nukes going off every day in Fallout.


No suprise vegetation is gone.

Do away with Barren wasteland? Seems inevitable in the series, question would be in DLC for FO 4 or wait until the presumed FO-5 release in 6-8 years.... At some point, the game has offer something new visually, and take us in new directions.

Personally, I'd opt for a Lousiana/Florida USA locale, and use Brian Aldis' excellent Sci-Fi tome "Hothouse" as a premise for an adventure. In this we deal with giant mutated banyon trees, and creatures that are half plant, half carnivorous beasts. The radiation has made them semi-sentient and they are so prolific that there is a constant struggle for survival taking place Throw in giant flying vegetable/semi flower type creatures, that can bite you in half and people forced to live up in the trees, as being a surface dweller is sure death from swarms of mutated insects. The main character premise is that you are forced to leave your tribe for contrived reasons, and strike out on your own in voyage of discovery, not only about what the wild is all about, but man kinds history that is buried beneath it all.

I get that some people want things to be more "realistic". However, in this "reality", before the war, even though the world has this 50's style from our reality, they had robots and everything ran on nuclear power.

By the way, there are people running around who were exposed to radiation when the bombs fell, yet they are still alive over 200 years later. One of those people managed to survive in a rather tight space, with no food for over 200 years without going insane!

If these aspects can be different from our reality, why can't the effects of nuclear war on vegetation be different too?

Yes, I want to go to work, pay bills, wash clothes, do dishes, sit in traffic, and pay taxes in all my games/sarcasm

- no Gore Effects

- no Weapons like we know

- no copied Boston Areas like we have now

- no USA

- no US Army

- no Housedesigns like we have in our Reality

- no Physics based on our Reality

- no good Graphic, and our graphic Wishes are based on Reality.

(sarkasm/off)

Its easy to say you dont want Realism in a Videogame while almost every Game already have and Shooter Games always needs a big Part Realism. Most People wouldnt even Play if a Shooter like Fallout 4 would looks like Battlefield Heros lol. And to say you dont want a Job or paying Taxes are just stupid Arguments, i mean making a Shooter more realistic/authentic doesnt mean to do a focking Job. In the first Case it means make it more deadlier and Fallout 4 is some kind of very easy. Many People must already Imaging a higher Difficulty just to have more Fun. And they Key is "Missing Realism" or for you "unbalanced Survival Mode". Ignoring Perks and/or using a bad Weapon just means unbalanced Game.

Right, you can not know exactly what will happen to vegetation after a full scale nuclear war. ( depends on many factors ) BUT, as I said already, you can be sure what will happen to all animals and humans on earth once vegetation is gone ... there won't be any at all. No wastelanders, no deathclaws, no rad scorpions, no mole rats - just a dead planet like mars. At best some bacteria.

Trying to add realism in the Fallout universe falls completely flat when you realize that if an actual event like this happened in real life the planet would have basically shattered under the force of that many nukes.

The main thing that kills life on the planet is humans. There is mold growing on the reactors at chernobyl that metabolizes radiation, this type of life developed since the meltdown. Even if every inch of the surface got nuked insect and plant life would bounce back almost immediately.

The last of us had a more likely environment.

Except Fallout runs on SCIENCE!, not Science. Realism has never really been a factor in any of the Fallout games. The fact that Earth exists at all in the Fallout universe should have told you that.

Yes, there would be more plants. But, there also wouldn't be any buildings. Without controlling the temperature and humiditymost structures would be gone after 200 years. Wood would have rotted, and exposed metal would have rusted. Ones glass windows broke and weather could get in, it wwouldn't be long. Realism can only be taken so far before the game becomes boring

Gotta love these "Realism" discussions,

Ancient ruins are what still standing from what 2000-4000 years ago but sure you guys are right it aint no realistically possible that a building could be standing after 200 years....

Except those pyramids in Egypt....

Huh?

What?

You mean those 100 to 400 Tons Stones, which never got touched by any Nuke? Nukes can make Dust out of Metall in no Time.

If we are going to say that the entire earth was washed with nuclear fire....

The game wouldn't be called Fallout,

It'd be called "Afterlife Adventures"

Modern buildings aren't stacked stones they'd be all gone within a couple centuries of neglect. There was a show about it was pretty cool. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_After_People

Not all metal will rust...

Also my folks have some wood chairs that are older than 200 years.

Not to mention that there are people that make a living scavenging wood from fully exposed houses that have not had human occupants for decades and even as far back as 1800...Here in America of all places.

The wood that they recover is then sold for top dollar for people that intend to use it in modern homes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKSZQuSi2b8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-cgSle46yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn5vysBkWdM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG4hQQKrhT8

You're talking about my house, now... (I live within 60 miles of Hanford). ...and yep, there's a whole class of local people around here known as "Down-winders" because of down wind exposure to radiation. However, most of us have no measurable effects other than it's easy to read in the dark for some reason. Did you ever see that video of Chernobyl made by the girl on the motorcycle (there's also a National Geographic that shows it as well)? Fascinating! The whole place has been taken over by lush vegetation, and I didn't see even ONE radscorpion anywhere! The city itself looks like a Fallout environment though.

While I find the Glowing Sea to be incredibly cool, I don't think I'd want to spend much time there. Imagine if the entire world were to be like that, eh?

This request is not uncommon. It often resurfaces.


The only reason I was not so keen on Fallout 3 was the endless barren landscape. That and the alternate being lines of impassable rubble. I think thid is one of the main reasons that F:NV seemed more popular to many. The whole feel of the game was better eye candy rather than a depressing scenary.


Fallout 4 is a major improvement on Fallout 3 imo. I don't have the same problem I did back then. I am loving F4.

Which reminds me.... I honestly have no idea why The Sims is so damn popular. (disclaimer: I've only tried the first one. Who knows, maybe they made it fun in 2, 3, or 4. But I doubt it.)

I was being sarcastic and having fun, sorry if you didn't get it my friend.

Instead of citing Hiroshima and Nagasaki let's look at Chernobyl. An uncontrolled meltdown and an are still full of radiation
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dlkAw43cLC0/ScyxoorBMTI/AAAAAAAAEGY/ewfu2Av0TXc/s800/Chernobyl-Today-A-Creepy-Story-told-in-Pictures-buildings1.jpg

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/behold/2014/03/Chernobyl/MM7291-050601-11590.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg