Can't Sprint and Jump at the same time? Bug? : V

» Fri May 11, 2012 10:33 am

Say What??!!! You can't even take a running jump in Elderscrolls now? That's a far cry from Morrowind when I could jump my character across mountains.

This has to be a bug:

You move forward "W", you speed up to a sprint "Alt" (uses Stamina), you hit "Spacebar", to jump, but Spacebar does nothing while the Alt key is pressed.

» Fri May 11, 2012 12:46 pm

Say What??!!! You can't even take a running jump in Elderscrolls now? That's a far cry from Morrowind when I could jump my character across mountains.

This has to be a bug:

You move forward "W", you speed up to a sprint "Alt" (uses Stamina), you hit "Spacebar", to jump, but Spacebar does nothing while the Alt key is pressed.

not a bug, design choice. Stops you from doing game breaking jumps I suppose.

» Fri May 11, 2012 1:51 pm

No it's not a bug this isn't a platformer you don't need to run-jump.

» Fri May 11, 2012 1:26 pm

Not a bug.
Yet another unfathomable design desicion.

Game breaking?
My ass.
What is game breaking is when a cave is bugged and a bridge will not lower and Im stuck because there is no way to jump across.
Oh for a levitation or jump spell.

No such thing as 'game breaking' unless its the game that breaks it.
If I choose to fly to the top of the tower then this is a choice
This is not an FPS.

» Fri May 11, 2012 5:06 am

No it's not a bug this isn't a platformer you don't need to run-jump.

So morrowind was a platformer ?

Go buy some arguments, or don't bother, jeez...

on Topic : Not gamebreaking at all, but still feels like "one more tihng taken away". Although it's not very much impacting, it kinda gets in the way when you want to play a fast-agile character.

Maybe if they make TES in Elsweyr, they will switch focus on advanced acrobatics machanics. This is Skyrim, more for heavy/brutal but slow warriors ? j/k

» Fri May 11, 2012 1:38 pm

My reaction the first time I tried this:

"Oh, I guess I can't sprint and jump at the same time. Oh well." *keeps exploring*

It's not a big deal. At all. As far as I'm concerned, Skyrim is 1 step back, 100 steps forward.

» Fri May 11, 2012 7:29 pm

not a bug, design choice. Stops you from doing game breaking jumps I suppose.

I don't think anyone could break the game by sprint jumping. Otherwise they wouldn't give us the whirlwind sprint shout...

» Fri May 11, 2012 9:34 am

It is a bug (made by developers on purpose

)
And one of the mods will sure fix this bug

P.S. It would made sense if this was blocked only when wearing heavy armor, otherwise it makes none

» Fri May 11, 2012 5:48 am

Explain to me how you could sprint in Morrowind and I might agree.

You can still run and jump, just not sprint and jump. I can see how some people find it annoying but TES hasn't really ever had any platforming in it. So it doesn't really bother me a lot.

» Fri May 11, 2012 10:52 am

I don't think anyone could break the game by sprint jumping. Otherwise they wouldn't give us the whirlwind sprint shout...

it doesn't really make us Sky-rocket upwards, now does it? I tried using the shout mid-air and jumping, but it only works on the ground.

» Fri May 11, 2012 12:05 pm

it doesn't really make us Sky-rocket upwards, now does it? I tried using the shout mid-air and jumping, but it only works on the ground.

No it doesn't, but why would sprint jumping make you sky-rocket? The added speed would just add more distance to your jumps.

» Fri May 11, 2012 5:55 am

not a bug, design choice. Stops you from doing game breaking jumps I suppose.

That might stop you from doing it that way; but the Whirlwind Rush shout is an even better way of doing game breaking jumps.

It's basically a short distance teleportation, and if you use it to "jump" off a ledge, you can get some air and a lot of distance, allowing you to reach otherwise unreachable areas.

» Fri May 11, 2012 3:23 pm

No it doesn't, but why would sprint jumping make you sky-rocket? The added speed would just add more distance to your jumps.

Sky-rocket forwards, with added height. Not upwards vertically 100%. The extra jump will make your original 'starting' point of the sprint higher (if it worked) and thus make you 'sky-rocket', especially if you use the shout.

» Fri May 11, 2012 4:33 am

Sky-rocket forwards, with added height. Not upwards vertically 100%. The extra jump will make your original 'starting' point of the sprint higher (if it worked) and thus make you 'sky-rocket', especially if you use the shout.

I'm still not seeing how that would be gamebreaking, and as you said you can't use the shout while you are mid-air.

I've used sprinting mods that allow jumping for Oblivion, FO3 and NV yet my game hasn't broken. What's the point of this debate again?

» Fri May 11, 2012 5:07 pm

I think it's a bad design choice, personally. I've been in multiple situations where I'm outside, running from an enemy, and while I'm running I'll try and jump onto a rock or something and I don't. And then by the time I let go of sprint and try to jump, they've already caught up to me. It's not game breaking in the slightest. It's not like it's really increasing your jump height. They could at least make the length of a jump increased to 1.5x the normal distance. Heck, even go ahead and make a sprint jump cost Stamina. Take it one step forward and make it a perk for all I care. But not having a sprint-jump mechanic really bothers me.

» Fri May 11, 2012 4:54 pm

Is this just an issue of key-mapping? Make sprint a different key and try that out.

» Fri May 11, 2012 11:46 am

So morrowind was a platformer ?

Go buy some arguments, or don't bother, jeez...

on Topic : Not gamebreaking at all, but still feels like "one more tihng taken away". Although it's not very much impacting, it kinda gets in the way when you want to play a fast-agile character.

Maybe if they make TES in Elsweyr, they will switch focus on advanced acrobatics machanics. This is Skyrim, more for heavy/brutal but slow warriors ? j/k

Meh, its not the biggest issue. Todd himself (iIRC) said that flight and things make it too easy for the player to ruin interesting scenarios. If you could do all that, you could bug your way to the end of a quest and it would present too many variables to cover in each quest. It seems wise to me, to limit this and then make more interesting quests rather then morrowinds fairly bland fetchyness.,

Morrowind had levitation, teleportation and super jump, but it didn't have cool things like radiant AI or character schedules.

» Fri May 11, 2012 3:30 am

Explain to me how you could sprint in Morrowind and I might agree.

You can still run and jump, just not sprint and jump. I can see how some people find it annoying but TES hasn't really ever had any platforming in it. So it doesn't really bother me a lot.

MW didn't really need sprinting because you could alter your walking and running speeds.Same for Oblivion.
To be honest,I don't think Skyrim needed a third gear either.If there was no sprinting feature,I don't think anyone would demand it.
I mean,there's no limit to it XD.Fourth gear could be "run for your life" and it WOULD come in handy in dragon fights.

» Fri May 11, 2012 6:38 am

Is this just an issue of key-mapping? Make sprint a different key and try that out.

Its the same on the 360

» Fri May 11, 2012 3:57 am

well.. i just have to say it: bethesda, this svcks! i always played ninja-style.. i loved the feeling in oblivion being a vampire with acrobatis 100.. jumping from roof to roof, from the harbor to the ship and to the harbor at the other side.. and now.. i feel like a clumsy sumo fighter! no acrobatics and no jumps while sprinting? what the.. please someone make a mod which changes that! i'd even donate something ^^

» Fri May 11, 2012 11:43 am

Apparently you can't jump in water either. I'm really questioning the decision making process behind some of the gameplay mechanics.

» Fri May 11, 2012 9:22 am

Say What??!!! You can't even take a running jump in Elderscrolls now? That's a far cry from Morrowind when I could jump my character across mountains.

This has to be a bug:

You move forward "W", you speed up to a sprint "Alt" (uses Stamina), you hit "Spacebar", to jump, but Spacebar does nothing while the Alt key is pressed.

Try to sprint full tilt in real life, and then Jump. You'll quickly realize all you did was take 1 more stride.

Welcome to adding realism to games.

Edit: If you find you can still jump, you're not sprinting fast enough

» Fri May 11, 2012 11:38 am

I prefered it in Oblivion since I was pro-athletics and pro-acrobatics... svcks they nerfed down that.

» Fri May 11, 2012 9:18 am

So morrowind was a platformer ?

Go buy some arguments, or don't bother, jeez...

on Topic : Not gamebreaking at all, but still feels like "one more tihng taken away". Although it's not very much impacting, it kinda gets in the way when you want to play a fast-agile character.

Maybe if they make TES in Elsweyr, they will switch focus on advanced acrobatics machanics. This is Skyrim, more for heavy/brutal but slow warriors ? j/k

Get the forward roll perk. Jus sayin

» Fri May 11, 2012 3:56 pm

Try to sprint full tilt in real life, and then Jump. You'll quickly realize all you did was take 1 more stride.

Welcome to adding realism to games.

I have seen someone sprinting at me with an arrow tip sticking out of his head.Now I'm sure THAT particular guy could do what you're saying =D