Please people let's be civil

I picked the Stormcloaks because the Empire has been an immortal presence in the last two games, and I sympathized with the Nords who are being offered up to the Thalmor much like how the Redguards were thrown away for the Thalmor.

Imperial, going stormcloak is exactly what the Thalmor want...

They let him escape when they had him prisoner so he can stir up trouble with his civil war, hoping that he succeeds and divides humanity's strengths...

And yet, the only time you see peopel arrested by the Thalmor are a single quest and a few random encounters. Plus a quest where you are involved in the investigation.

If the Thalmor are so much a problem, why aren't there more random encounters with them?

Gameplay reasons. The same reason why Northwatch Keep and the Thamlor Embassy are still open after a Stormcloak victory, and why people still mention the Civil War is going on even if one side has already won the Civil War.

"A Stormcloak victory is to be avoided" from the Thalmor dossier.

You realize that it's to show that it happens a lot, right? It's a method of story telling.

once again, these threads mean nothing when the developers will choose who wins the war and w will not know, so debating/arguing is not going to help.

So stop participating? Meanwhile, we'll enjoy these threads.

Yet I rarely have those encounters. In fact, I rarely have random encounters at all.

How do you know that?


That defeats your own argument.

Simple logic.

Prove it. Construct a logical syllogism.

Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it isn't happening. For instance, the Civil War is being described as tearing Skyrim apart yet you only see battle between 3 Stormcloaks and Imperials as random encounters, not to mention no other battles apart from the Civil War quests happen at all even though it is stated to be happening.

It is just how these kinds of games work. The developers decide the end of the war. They write in a way so people can have their choices in the next game without ruining it for another player.

If the developer chooses who wins the civil war, doesn't that completely nullify player choice?

Warp in the West.

Not if they write the lore in a way that is open to all choices. and then never revisit it again.

So then it follows that these conversations will never be made irrelevant, because the "correct" choice will never be foisted upon us by the developers.

If you don't like debating, then don't. You don't have to participate in the thread you know.

Technically these discussions would not need to happen because likely in the next game, all the human races will unite against the Thalmor and none of this "Stormcloak" "Empire" issue will matter.

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I said this in another Thread, so i'm just copying and pasting it. At first it have something related to the Dunmer, the racism they suffer, but in overall this is about the Stormcloaks and Imperials:

"As far as i know, the Dunmer live in the Grey Quarter since they fled from Morrowind. And to be honest, it is called the Grey Quarter because it is a slice of the city FOR them, a part of the city was given to them when they fled from Morrowind.

Also, the reason Ulfric doesn't like the Dunmer, isn't JUST of a normal racism, he doesn't trust other races mostly because of the Thalmor, that have the Khajiit (They said to the Khajiit that it was them, the Thalmor, who brang the Moons back, because they have disappeared suddenly, and the Moons are part of the Khajiit culture) and the most of the Altmer, alot of the Bosmer and maybe some of of the Dunmer on their side. Ulfric is at war, he has reason to be kinda paranoic, in my opinion.

Just because some Nords are racists, doesn't mean that the purpose and cause of the Stormcloaks are surrounded by Racism. If you talk to Galmar (Ulfric's right hand) he will say that he fights against tyranny, i never heard him of Ulfric saying that they fight against other races and such.

I'll say something related to a Main Quest, so i'll put it in a Spoiler.




Anyway, i'm a Stormcloak myself, but the Stormcloaks also have their bad sides. Someone that supports the Empire should tell you all the good things about the Imperial side aswell, since i'm not trying to start a Stormcloaks vs Imperial discussion here, but in my most truly opinion, i think that as soon as we stop this war, as soon as the Stormcloaks win, we will be able to get the Thalmor, because they only have such influence in Skyrim because of this war. That's why the Thalmor want to keep this war going. So, for me, i'd rather win by the Stormcloak side and allow the worship of Talos, the one who is also Dragonborn, the one who founded the Empire, and make Skyrim big and powerful as it was before, removing all those Jarls that are puppet of the Empire and the Empire which is a puppet of the Thalmor than winning by Imperial side and ban the worship of Tiber Septim, and have Jarls who doesn't know how to rule and are puppet of an Empire that is too weak to even rule themselves, allowing the Thalmor into their walls and being just another puppet. What would Talos think ? Would he want to end like that ?


Anyway, this is my opinion, i'm sure that i'm wrong about somethings about the Empire, so if an Imperial could clarify for me and have a healthy discussion, cuz i'm not trying to start an Imperial vs Stormcloak Thread here.


Also, if the Dunmer won't aid Ulfric in this war, why would he help them. That is kinda hypocrite from the Dunmer side. Talk to a Dunmer in the Grey Quarter that spend most of his time just relaxing sitting down on front of the Corneclub Hall, he'll say to you that he doesn't like the attitude of the other Dunmer about Windhelm and the Stormcloaks. (Sort Of)


Talos be with you."

This assumes that the plot thread of the Aldmeri Dominion will be resolved in the next game in the series.

Additionally, none of the discussions on these boards need to happen. They are something you participate in voluntarily because you're interested in them.

All I am trying to do is make it so people realize they have no say in how the war ends and so that these threads have no need to be around.

If people just say "Civil War? Meh." then things will go more smoothly on these forums.

Your concerns have been noted.