This is my first complaint on this game.I have to call this a complaint.An i will tell you what i want.

I payed for Heathfire an Dawnguard an my issues with Illia's bug where she cannot rejoin after being disbanded even after months of countless complaints not only i but many other have made has not been addressed.

Second on my list is the lack of Khajiit voices for brides an mates missing from the game.That is just a big fat no no.You cant marry them normally.This also goes for Stewards who can be hired.Just pay the money for there voices.We payed for the content so why is it not in the game?!

Third on my list of complaints is the completely racist overtones of Nords.Yet the Orcs where there first.Almost all followers Nords.Little to no Darkelf or Khajiit.Then the insulting single Argonian follower you get.Seriously.What happened there?

I want what i payed for.I went through both expansions an i still do not see any Khajiit or Argonian followers.Please address this immediately.Not a year from now.Right now.Yes i know about the Snowelf but that does not change what we have been waiting for.So this is not a request.This is a complaint.We told you what we wanted.What would be months of game play with new content is limited with only a few base characters an a inability to add matching voices.

That is it.

You paid for DLC for Skyrim, not Oblivion or some other Elder Scrolls game. Since you obviously did not miss the racist overtones in Skyrim, why would you suddenly be expecting the place to be the hub of international goodwill that would welcome an influx of foreigners. Yes most people in Skyrim are Nords, nothing surprising about that. DLC is not suddenly going to make Skyrim into a mini imperial city.

Well, I'd argue you should get something for "creepiest complaint ever", at least. Very sinister indeed. I have a sinking feeling Todd Howard's going to wake up one morning to find Shadowmere's head in his bed-- courtesy of this gentleman.

OK first off i complain about thing that i forgot or just popped up that i didn't remember long ago or originally complained about an forgot.But once i remember thing an (Backtrack my issues.) i end up remembering things i mentioned before.I can over look many thing that did not make sense in the game like why Ralof's hands are untied in the beginning of the dragon attack an everyone else's hands are untied but i`m the only one who`s hands are bound. OK! I can skip over that.

But the then when playing there have not been fixes to things broken in the game.That by now should have been fixed.Those were gaming braking thing.They need to be addressed.Like Saving Thorald without violence.These things need to be addressed.An after buying one expantion an some issues fixed but not all the problems mentioned.I believe i have a very legit complaint.

That is it.

None of which is anything to do with Hearthfire, or any other DLC.

That does not mean it should be ignored.You don't ignore broken issues an say.People are satisfied so why fix whats broken.Like in Dawnguard where NPCs would not have animations.I want issues fixed.(Though i may forget again)I need the issues addressed.

Well nothing in your opening post are issues that need fixing with the DLC and none in the second post are even remotely game breaking issues, possibly there was never even meant to be a peaceful way to save Thorald. Letting you try and failing that way does not mean anything was broke. No bugs in the DLC have been fixed, and it is unlikely they ever will be.

You make a complaints thread about things you do not like about the vanilla game, then complain Bethesda cannot be bothered changing the game so it appeals more to you. They are never going to change it to what you want, game has been out almost a year now, get used to it.

Yeah, it's broke. Programming error.

You say so I will believe you, but how is that a game breaking bug?

I'm not saying it is.

Yeah not to mention that I still have no clue as to what the "this is not request. it is a complaint" part even meant or tried to mean...

It is simple it is not a request because it is a complaint.When you are working on a game you test it.When you release a game an there are things broken you fix them.It is not a request.It is a complaint.Fix your broken content.That simple.is it that hard to figure out what broken means? Is it game braking.When you get a companion an then the companion will no longer follow you.That is game braking.You lost everything you handed that NPC.The only way to get it back is to kill the NPC.An lose that NPC forever.Unless you brake the game by using learning code just to get what you lost.

It is not a request for fixing broken content. In complete content is the same.Not adding an option of the players choice rather than a few choices for Steward as the players new content.You do not actually get to pick an choose what you want.You only get what they allow.Yes there are a lot of NPC an a lot of voices.Did we not pay enough for enough voice actors to do a simple job like add voices!? I want what i payed for.Content!Not half of that content.When you have random dragons flying around that never land an dodge all your attacks like a ninja do you think the player is laughing at that? No! They are getting pissed off! I do not want to discuss this with you any longer aussie500.

If you do not see an issue please do not post here denying what everyone else can see.

I fully agree in relation to content that was delivered both in game and dlc that doesn't work, or has bugs or glitches...but...

Complaining about things that aren't included, or don't suit your tastes when they were included doesn't really cut the mustard.

I've said this before, so I won't go into too much detail...but whether you call the Nord behaviour 'racist' or 'nationalist' doesn't really matter - it's integral to the entire game.

As the skyrim lore says: The dragons appear when brother fights brother....and both the dragons and the civil war were pretty much marketted as the game right from the start. You don't buy a pair of shoes if you were actually looking for a brick.

Edit:

One last thing:

You got what you payed for. The issue of "...you only get what they allow..." is not an issue. Of course you only get what they put in the game...but, you can get the Creation Kit...and you can make your own version of Skyrim (unless you're on console, then you have to go buy yourself a pc).

I dont see how your in a position to demand anything, Are you aware that other people have lives to live as well? The world does not turn on a dime because you say so. If something needs fixed, then Bethesda will fix it in due time. Its time you became greatful for what you already have, instead of complaining about what you dont have. Its just a game, and nothing in this world is ever going to be perfect. Believe me when I say you have nothing to complain about compared to what I've had to do. My first tour in Afghanistan showed me how ungrateful many civilians are here of what they have, and how much people take for granted.

Agreed, and this is why your complaints are falling flat, Warsun. It's one thing to complain about technical issues, but demanding they change something that isn't broken just because it doesn't happen to suit you is outright preposterous.


Not necessarily. They dropped support of both Fallout 3, and Oblivion with some fairly major issues still lingering, so there's already an established precedent for Bethesda not fixing issues in due time.

And I do appreciate all the things you said about the average person in Western society not appreciating what they have. Granted, I've never been to Afghanistan myself, but I did visit a cousin of mine in New Jersey a couple of years back, so I get your point. You're absolutely right. We do take quite a bit for granted here.

On the other hand, that's no reason to not complain about some issues we have with a product we've paid for. If I order a steak medium-rare and I get it served well-done, then I'm sending it back. That's all there is to it. And when I do, the waiter better not hit me with "There are starving children in Africa and you're complaining?"

Having said all that, Warsun's complaints and his overall presentation does spill over into the sphere of ridiculousness.

Is there any reason why you don't post this in skyrim general discussion ? none of it seems linked to hearthfires.

you want it to make the cut for ''patch 1.9'' or ''dragonborn dlc''
then post it in the right place

unfortunately dragonborn seemed aimed toward morrowind, so not more khajit there, but might add stuff for argonians
but you never know, khajit are adventurous ones

fortunately for you there were rumors of future dlc in cyrodil (cosmopolitan) and hammerfell, near the orsinium area (might add to the orcs)

anyway, yes there are racial tensions in skyrim, and in the empire, following all the turmoil
it's to be expected. hopefully the dragonborn will rebuild the empire, if bethesda have the guts to do something that large

Well, that's just inadequate... Bethesda, don't ever listen to such people, and dumb down the game because of such complaints.

Do you think Bethesda really care what you think? you bought their game and played it for hours, you then went out and bought Dawnguard and played it for hours, you then went out and bought Hearthfire and played it for hours.
And now you complain about it, after all those hours of gameplay.
Go on tell me-yes you are going to buy the next dlc as well despite your complaints.
All you had to do was stop buying the add ons.

Well, to be fair his complaint on Khajiot and similar stuff is not just correct but verry popular arround Skyrim fans

The reaction of peoples is more that he posted in the wrong forum,
and that what he said was mostly suggestions to enhance the game

The Illia bug should go on the Skyrim bug, unless there is an hearthfire specific thing

The rest should just go in Skyrim general discussion, really

Of course he could have said all this more politely
I mean the way they did the new khajit was really stellar
they look like the most adventurous and daring of all races
moving in tiny bands like that and facing all sorts of dangers

As for the orcs, not sure what his problem is, they're represented by quite a few strongholds,
despite their main homeland being orsinium, near the hammerfell/high rock zone
I found the treatment of the orc was far better than morrowind/oblivion
Would have been nice to allow the orc player to build his own stronghold and recruit orcs to his cause
Likewise the khajit player might like to build his own caravan operation

I may be mistaken, but I do think there is a khait follower, not sure about argonians
(one of the khajit caravan guard I think)

QUOTE: Well, I'd argue you should get something for "creepiest complaint ever", at least. Very sinister indeed. I have a sinking feeling Todd Howard's going to wake up one morning to find Shadowmere's head in his bed-- courtesy of this gentleman.

That would be a neat trick, actually, since Shadowmare doesn't exist in three dimensions.


Yes, there are some annoyances in the game. It's an ENORMOUS open world, after all. There are some well documented bugs that Bethesda have chosen not to address, possibly because there's no easy fix. For instance, it's been suggested that they didn't fix the Aventus bug because they were worried about the DB quest being adversely affected. Crap happens.

A legit complaint is something like:

I just spent my entire day trying to complete the 'blood on the ice' quest because I forgot on tiny little thing was absolutely necessary, even though it was an 'optional' component, and there was no hint in the quest scripting that it was absolutely essential...and hasn't been fixed for twelve (yes, 12) months (that's one year, Bethesda...one whole singular year, three DLC's and two, yes, only 2, patches).

Responding:Complaining about things that do no suit my taste.You did not understand the post i made.I didn't say i did not like the tasted of anything added.I said the content is missing content from the game.Please read thoroughly.The racist ideas are that the other races do not in fact have content that keeps them in a mark of active characters.They are radishes.Which should have content that after searching we have asked to please add.Which have not been added.

Driving down my review of the game.If you cannot handle a little constructive criticism i feel sorry for you.But i do not feel i should show you mercy.When designing a game some content must be added.As optional choices.Giving no choices kills the fun of the game.Thus leading to a complaint.Deal with it is not an option.Racial ignorance should not be tolerated.

One last thing.I did not get what i payed for.Which is content.Which is what the complaint is about.Please read the post next time.

I am a customer I have ever reason in the world to complain and demand what i was told i would have.Which is content.An your personal opinions of what my expectations are none of your business.Keep your personal opinions to yourself.Also i don't have to be greatful for what i payed for.You don't have half your house built an be told you should be greatful for the half handed job someone does for you.You should be greatful for the taxes you pay for public school children.You should be greatful for the years of war that has impoverished your country.Do not troll here.If your have no interest in the subject.Leave.

Read my post before posting your opinions about what you think i said rather than what i did.

Want to know a quick way to get a warning? Play grammar cop in a thread. Read the forum rules - we do not allow that here. Yeah, posts went away, Littlebeard.

Another way to get a warning - and this one is for Warsun - is to get combative and insulting when people don't agree with you. Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion does not make them a troll, nor are they flaming you. You stated your position, people are responding - as long as the forum rules are obeyed and people are reasonably civil to each other, you'll have to accept that your complaints are not shared by very many of us.