my concerns of an Elderscrolls MMO : Othor Games

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:54 pm

On one of the Youtube videos on Elderscrolls online I saw this comment:

"I read that this game is only going to be in third person.... I have a bad feeling this game is also going to ruin The Elder Scrolls. It's meant to be a first person single player experience. Not some generic 3rd person mmo. The? Elder Scrolls is about immersing yourself into the environment, characters and story through it's first person aspect and combat. The MMO and third person only aspect is going to take that sense of immersion away from this series in my opinion."

your thoughts?

» Tue May 15, 2012 8:04 am

First person does not define this series. First person does not define "immersion".

» Tue May 15, 2012 2:02 am

On one of the Youtube videos on Elderscrolls online I saw this comment:

"I read that this game is only going to be in third person.... I have a bad feeling this game is also going to ruin The Elder Scrolls. It's meant to be a first person single player experience. Not some generic 3rd person mmo. The? Elder Scrolls is about immersing yourself into the environment, characters and story through it's first person aspect and combat. The MMO and third person only aspect is going to take that sense of immersion away from this series in my opinion."

your thoughts?

I never played TES in 1st person, and I have been playing since Morrowind. I don't like to be told how I am meant to play my game.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:37 pm

Elder Scrolls is defined by its lore, background and feel. I think it does not matter if you play it on 1st, 3rd or even on a table with your character on a paper, it will still TES.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:47 pm

First person does not define this series. First person does not define "immersion".

That's just playing on words. Immersion is created by a number of factors : the art, the point of view, the sounds and music, the lore, and the way you are involved in the adventure.

The art is less realistic, thus less immersive. The main PoV will be third person, wich is less immersive than first person (just look at all those mods for Oblivion, Skyrim and Fallout wich change your journal to first person writing). The sounds and music, can't say anything, let's wait and see. For the involvement, even if the battle break with the traditional WoW-like combat, it will still be non-real-time combat, wich is less immersive than real-time combat. Yet, seems like they got the exploration part right, so let's wait and see for that one too, same for the lore.

Overall, the art and the gameplay elements will make TES:O less immersive than the solo games. Wich doesn't mean that immersing yourself in it's universe will be impossible, but it will be harder.

Elder Scrolls is defined by its lore, background and feel. I think it does not matter if you play it on 1st, 3rd or even on a table with your character on a paper, it will still TES.

I'd kill for a TES pen & paper RPG. I wonder why Bethesda didn't made one already, they have more than enough material to do this.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:10 pm

That's just playing on words. Immersion is created by a number of factors : the art, the point of view, the sounds and music, the lore, and the way you are involved in the adventure.

The art is less realistic, thus less immersive. The main PoV will be third person, wich is less immersive than first person (just look at all those mods for Oblivion, Skyrim and Fallout wich change your journal to first person writing). The sounds and music, can't say anything, let's wait and see. For the involvement, even if the battle break with the traditional WoW-like combat, it will still be non-real-time combat, wich is less immersive than real-time combat. Yet, seems like they got the exploration part right, so let's wait and see for that one too, same for the lore.

Overall, the art and the gameplay elements will make TES:O less immersive than the solo games. Wich doesn't mean that immersing yourself in it's universe will be impossible, but it will be harder.

We still have to know HOW the game will really look and feel.

» Mon May 14, 2012 8:02 pm

Well, for the look part we already have the screens. Now, for the feel part, it's true that we can't really know unless we try the actual game. I hope that the way they are going to use the lore and the exploration will "make up" for the loss of the traditional gameplay.

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:01 am

I just hope it doesn't fail like FFXIV...they should not give it an TES title just to be safe. Lol

» Tue May 15, 2012 5:41 am

Well, for the look part we already have the screens. Now, for the feel part, it's true that we can't really know unless we try the actual game. I hope that the way they are going to use the lore and the exploration will "make up" for the loss of the traditional gameplay.

+1

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» Mon May 14, 2012 7:38 pm

That's just playing on words. Immersion is created by a number of factors : the art, the point of view, the sounds and music, the lore, and the way you are involved in the adventure.

In my opinion the art is less realistic, thus less immersive. The main PoV will be third person, wich is less immersive than first person (just look at all those mods for Oblivion, Skyrim and Fallout wich change your journal to first person writing). The sounds and music, can't say anything, let's wait and see. For the involvement, even if the battle break with the traditional WoW-like combat, it will still be non-real-time combat, wich is less immersive than real-time combat. Yet, seems like they got the exploration part right, so let's wait and see for that one too, same for the lore.

Overall, the art and the gameplay elements will make TES:O less immersive than the solo games. Wich doesn't mean that immersing yourself in it's universe will be impossible, but it will be harder.

I'd kill for a TES pen & paper RPG. I wonder why Bethesda didn't made one already, they have more than enough material to do this.

fixed your post

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:51 pm

fixed your post

It's not really his opinion, it's cartoonified.

Thats like saying that Dali paints more realisticly than some hyper-realistic modern artist.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:10 pm

On one of the Youtube videos on Elderscrolls online I saw this comment:

"I read that this game is only going to be in third person.... I have a bad feeling this game is also going to ruin The Elder Scrolls. It's meant to be a first person single player experience. Not some generic 3rd person mmo. The? Elder Scrolls is about immersing yourself into the environment, characters and story through it's first person aspect and combat. The MMO and third person only aspect is going to take that sense of immersion away from this series in my opinion."

your thoughts?

Your a bit late to the party,this has been discussed on numerous occasions over the past 8 days.

» Tue May 15, 2012 6:50 am

It's not really his opinion, it's cartoonified.

Thats like saying that Dali paints more realisticly than some hyper-realistic modern artist.

......XD......i dont even.....just..., and the word you are looking for is stylized. dont even know if "cartoonified" exsists.

That's just playing on words. Immersion is created by a number of factors : the art, the point of view, the sounds and music, the lore, and the way you are involved in the adventure.

In my opinion since the art is less realistic, thus less immersive (subjective). The main PoV will be third person, wich is less immersive than first person (subjective) (just look at all those mods for Oblivion, Skyrim and Fallout wich change your journal to first person writing). The sounds and music, can't say anything, let's wait and see. For the involvement, even if the battle break with the traditional WoW-like combat, it will still be non-real-time combat, wich is less immersive than real-time combat (subjective). Yet, seems like they got the exploration part right, so let's wait and see for that one too, same for the lore.

Overall, the art and the gameplay elements will make TES:O less immersive than the solo games (subjective). Wich doesn't mean that immersing yourself in it's universe will be impossible, but it will be harder.

I'd kill for a TES pen & paper RPG. I wonder why Bethesda didn't made one already(me too), they have more than enough material to do this.

dont state opinions as facts, that is my point.

» Tue May 15, 2012 4:13 am

I find third person more immersive than first person, what now? As for the art style more realistic does not necessarily mean more immersive. If done right, a more stylized version could be more immersive.