Could the legend of the Giant Willy be true lol. Being none : V - Skyrim

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:30 pm

Sounds right. Still, a quest to become pureblood would be fantastic.

That would be cool

Fulfill a long twisted quest chain to get Molag Bal to gift you himself. Would be interesting!

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:41 pm

They are probably pure vampires. But I haven't seen or heard of special powers they have which you don't get. A vampire is a vampire and a vampire. Well I guess the only special thing they get is being assaulted by a god.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:17 pm

Hehe...Heart to bottomless pit... :lol:

I can see that.
I'm not sure how diseases work, but I'd assume that certain strands of "whatever sickness" would become weaker in time while some would become stronger. I'm talking about real world, outside the game here. As you go about treating some illness it may respond by becoming weaker, or mutate to become stronger and more resistant to whatever treatment you were using at the time. It may also be that you simply become more resistant to that strand of illness, which I'd think is more likely. In that case you're the one that's mutating, lol. I'm no pathologist, but that's my basic understanding.

In game lore, I would almost consider the "vampiric disease" to be a by-product of the thinning bloodlines. It's entirely possible that the closer you get to the source, in this case being Molag Bal, the least likely that you'll come across this phenomenon. I have no real basis for this other than how you were turned by Harkon.
It all seemed fairly straight forward. I bite you, you turn, take a day or so to adjust and then away you go. With your run-of-the-mill Cave-Vamp, you'd be infected, it would incubate for a time, then one night you change in your sleep. Now, in my own defense here :cool:

I can understand that this might just be a part of the play mechanic used to move the story along. In which case I'm totally off base. However, with the lack of clarification on Bethesda's part, it seems plausible to me so I'm running with it :biggrin:

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On a side note, two things just occurred to me.
1) All of my explaining may sound like I'm pushing my point of view. If it ever appears that way, then I apologize. We're all entitled to our own points of view; so to "short answer" this: I can see what you're saying Kakistos, and I can agree with that view.
2) In my posts I've never really answered the original question of this thread lol! So to answer that specific question: I think all (if not most) of the inhabitants of Castle Volkihar are or could be Pure Blood. We know that Harkon and Fam are for sure, but beyond that its hard to say for certain.

I do that sometimes as well. Saright.

Now that I think about it.

When a Pureblood bites you, you are instantly a Vampire, if a thin-blood vampire bites you it takes three days to incubate.

That could be proof of a bloodline that thins as more and more people are turned by those first turned by the Purebloods to the point where they can't even become a Vampire Lord.

Which could mean the dragonborn is as close to being a Pureblood vampire without being...touched...by Molag Bal.

I'm not sure but I think they say that you were passed out for three days or so. If not then it is a simple game mechanic that doesn't have any implications with lore, just like the choice to erase Lycanthropy for Vampirism (and vice versa with the Companions), they are not supposed to be possible and previous games have highlighted that point. In the past you first had to complete the cure quest in order to procede with the other species quests.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:48 pm

Well you can comfortably assume that you among Serena, Harkon, and Valerica are the only VL in Skyrim possibly all of Northern Tamerial, since it is a gift only the Volkihar have, or Molag bestows.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:43 pm

Well you can comfortably assume that you among Serena, Harkon, and Valerica are the only VL in Skyrim possibly all of Northern Tamerial, since it is a gift only the Volkihar have, or Molag bestows.

Yeah, in Skyrim. It is not impossible for other purebloods of different bloodlines to exist elsewhere.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:24 pm

I'm pretty sure the VL form is exclusive to the Volkihar so you're one of the only ones in the whole universe..unless Serana/Valerica goes on a turning spree.

The fledglings you make off that Vingalmo quest don't have to ability to turn into a VL form (..and have really dark colored eyes, I thought Lydia was gonna get the glowing epic eyes..) so only purebloods can bestow it, all other vampires that are turned by the ones Purebloods turn are too weak of blood to turn into it, I suppose.

You could classify the dragonborn as an elite Vampire I suppose or a Noble/Royal Vampire much like the armor you can get is named.

Only lesser than the Purebloods but better than the rest.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:18 pm

I'm pretty sure the VL form is exclusive to the Volkihar so you're one of the only ones in the whole universe..unless Serana/Valerica goes on a turning spree.

I don't think so. Other people can easily summon Molag Bal and have him turn them into vampires. It is not Volkihar exslusive. There might be other forms of vampire lord's in Tamriel.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:15 pm

I don't think so. Other people can easily summon Molag Bal and have him turn them into vampires. It is not Volkihar exslusive. There might be other forms of vampire lord's in Tamriel.

Don't you think that Bal would be more creative? I'm sure it isn't too often he get's sacrificed 1000 souls. I'd imagine he tosses around different gifts to different worshippers.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:32 pm

Don't you think that Bal would be more creative? I'm sure it isn't too often he get's sacrificed 1000 souls. I'd imagine he tosses around different gifts to different worshippers.

Maybe he asked for 1000 souls because Harkon could give him that. He was a warlord, you know.

But as I said, I am sure there are other purebloods out there, not just the Volkihar members.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:03 pm

Maybe he asked for 1000 souls because Harkon could give him that. He was a warlord, you know.

But as I said, I am sure there are other purebloods out there, not just the Volkihar members.

I was just using the 1000 souls as an example. Any great sacrifice is applicable. And I am sure there are other purebloods, but they may not have the ability to become Vampire Lords.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:31 pm

Maybe he asked for 1000 souls because Harkon could give him that. He was a warlord, you know.

But as I said, I am sure there are other purebloods out there, not just the Volkihar members.

Ok, there are probably more “pure bloods” out there but what exactly is the difference or significance of a “pure blood” in contrast to an ordinary Vampire? Frankly the “revelations”, if you want to call them that, that we learn about Vampires makes things more confusing and outright contradicts what we already know. More questions than answers. Can we really accept this as real and new lore considering the way Vampires have been handled and Skyrim’s other issues? Are the Vampires in the castle even Volkihar? It just seems to me that we are all grasping onto different pieces or lore new or old and filling them with speculation. Thoughts?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:41 am

Ok, there are probably more “pure bloods” out there but what exactly is the difference or significance of a “pure blood” in contrast to an ordinary Vampire? Frankly the “revelations”, if you want to call them that, that we learn about Vampires makes things more confusing and outright contradicts what we already know. More questions than answers. Can we really accept this as real and new lore considering the way Vampires have been handled and Skyrim’s other issues? Are the Vampires in the castle even Volkihar? It just seems to me that we are all grasping onto different pieces or lore new or old and filling them with speculation. Thoughts?

The only different to a "pureblood" and a "thin-blood"/"turn-blood" vampire is that they were given vampirism by the creator. We all know Lamae wasn't only the first vampire, but also a pureblood.

Honestly, I like the pureblood idea. Ever since I had my vampire characters in Oblivion and in my stories, they were pureblooded, though I left the actual reason vague and only said they were effected by a Daedric Pact with Molag Bal. And that was it. Fortunately, this seems to be the case as it is made official in canon. Pureblooded vampire do not really contradict lore at all, we had an "almost" pureblooded vampire when the Grey Prince was born from a vampiric father and a mortal mother. So the idea of a vampire not being turned by another vampire is not exactly far-fetched.

Now, I do agree with you on the way vampires had been handled in Skyrim compared to other lore. For example, we could blend in if we fed on people, which is a power unique to the Cyrodiilic vampires(made unique not from the book "Immortal Blood" alone, but the "Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampyrum"). Bethesda somehow fixed this with the new DLC by making all vampires obviously hideous with glowing eyes, pale skin and fangs, bat-like nostrils which serves as proof other vampires cannot blend in as well as the Order can. And while NPC's won't attack players regardless of stage, you can bet in lore they are shunned and attacked for their obvious vampirism.

"Can't you tell just by looking at me? I'm a vampire."-Serana.

"I do not work on dead flesh."

So it is obvious people can tell your vampirism, and we can safely assume that the "Volkihar" do not have this ability. Now, on Harkon and his family, we know they live in Castle Volkihar. But other than that, none of them call themselves Volkihar or even mentioned the ice-breaking ability and etc. We're left in the dark on that matter, but I suppose Bethesda slapped on "Castke Volkihar" to further convince fans that Harkon and his people are from the clan. But I agree, they are just molding things into one.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:37 pm

Pure-blood vampires is more of a title, and genetic thing imo. Reason being is that Harkon and Serena are both weaker than me, and I already killed one of them. So being a Pure blood doesn't make your stronger and what not.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:13 am

Pure-blood vampires is more of a title, and genetic thing imo. Reason being is that Harkon and Serena are both weaker than me, and I already killed one of them. So being a Pure blood doesn't make your stronger and what not.

That is more of a gameplay element thing, I suppose. Harkon is thousands of years old.

Question, so I guess vampire lords gets to force choke people by lifting them up, eh? Is this a pureblood/hybrid only power?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:27 am

If we go by the idea that different vampires from different provinces "evolved" in different ways, it does explain why Harkon doesn't exhibit the powers normally attributed to Skyrim's native vampire clan. Those directly turned by Molag Bal don't really "evolve", like Lamae Beolfag.

I'm surprised she never made an appearance though, being the original vampire and all that.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:30 pm

If we go by the idea that different vampires from different provinces "evolved" in different ways, it does explain why Harkon doesn't exhibit the powers normally attributed to Skyrim's native vampire clan. Those directly turned by Molag Bal don't really "evolve", like Lamae Beolfag.

I'm surprised she never made an appearance though, being the original vampire and all that.

I wonder what happened to Lamae Beolfag.