Yes like i mentioned before I killed 2-3 dragons yesterday and they all disappeared when i went into a house/tavern. After that my save decreased again

Im sorry but I think you dont know half as much as you think about PS3 hardware. IF the PS3 supports Vsync that can certainly cause lag. HOWEVER, the lag would be near constant if vsync was causing the ps3 to be overtaxed. Believe me, I know vsync puts ALOT of extra stress and activity on cpu/gpu. But like I said, if vsync was the problem the lag would be for almost everyone and it would be constant. It wouldnt be something that appears only after extended play.

I can also confirm dead dragons cleaning up. I killed one, fast traveled to whiterun and put the bones in my chest and fast traveled back to where the dragon was and it was already gone.

*sigh*

Vsync is great but we all know that it "drinks" RAM. Obviously a game as big as Skyrim needs all the RAM it can get. Knowing this, it surprised me that the developers went and turned on Vsync on the PS3 KNOWING (they had to know) that it would affect the frame-rate.

The bottom line is that the lag is caused by the frame dropping. The PS3 has frame rate problems and it can't be fixed unless they port the game all over again. And why would the ps3 ram be affected by a smile save file??? The bigger your save the more problem you will have. And know that there are people with 14mb save file that didn't have this problem even before the patch so it doesn't affect everyone....

Call me stupid but Im missing your point. According to you the lag is caused by vsync taking up most of the ram that the ps3 needs to run more smoothly. But if that were the case why isnt it affecting everyone? Or is your point that the lag cant be fixed?

Guys don't start arguing about irrelevant stuff that will get the thread closed...

Just curious - a few people are reporting that upgrading to an SSD resolves the lag issues. How does something like the HDD fit into Vsync, memory, etc.?

I've also had creatures disappear into thin air after killing them as others have mentioned.

Same thing happen on my quest as well he was 1/2 underground dead, and that was pre-patch version.

I think the idea is that if RAM is low then the ps3 would use virtual memory to do certain operations. Which is essentially just a segment of your hard drive used to store things that would normally be stored in RAM. HDD access is MUCH slower than RAM so accessing things in Virtual memory is slower than accessing things in RAM. So the theory is to use a faster hard drive to speed up the access times of things in virtual memory.

Also, it speeds up the loading of data that is installed to your hard drive.

Vsync uses a lot of cache? lol you don't know what cache is...

That does make sense. I just ordered an SSD and should have it delivered by the end of the week. Although this game was an incentive to upgrade to SSD, I've read that it improves other things in the PS3 too - so should be a win/win.

Yes my point is that is lag is affected by the inconsistency of the PS3's frame rate. I think the patch has resolved the issue to an extend but most people are expecting 30 fps like 360. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN, so everyone thinks the game is still lagging. It's not, it just suffers from bad frame rate that will drop to 10-20 on large battles. (because it uses the Vsync). So this frame drop will never be 100% fixed but it is improved do to smaller save files. Everyone has frame drop issues but some not as bad as others because they play 5-6h without shutting the ps3 to clean its ram, some people have more background activity/settings which fills the ram pretty fast. Because everyone has reported that they'll get the lag after a while. The Vsync isn't the only problem but it's one of the main reason. (Look at the 360 with no Vsync...)

Off topic: Sorry i read "why IS IT (in stead of) isnt it affecting everyone" in your post. Therefor the confusion

Well maybe "cache" wasn't the absolute perfect technical term to use, but VSync does take up a pretty decent chunk of the system's available memory buffers, so it probably is at least part of the culprit here. In fact, killing VSync pretty frequently improves FPS for game across the board.

No, I mean disappeared WHEN I killed him. I was right next to him and I hit him with an arrow, he flew back. I searched the area thoroughly and it wasn't like I didn't remember where he was standing before. Either he's very well hidden, disappeared, knocked further than I looked or he's still riding my arrow which would probably place him in minecraft by now.

i meant RAM (read other post please) or just play the game on 360

Absolutely killing vsync would improve framerate. I have no doubt of that... But then we would have a whole new problem, screen tearing. Maybe it would be worth it to give the option to disable vsync in the options? Im surprised they even enabled vsync to be honest. Thats usually the first thing to go if a game isnt performing great during development. Many ps3 games dont have it to improve framerate because the ps3 is such a b!tch to program for and most devs dont know how to do it properly. Everyone should look at Naughty Dog and how they do what they do. They can make the ps3 sing and dance to their tune.

Personally I'll take the occasionally noticeable screen tearing any day as long as it improves FPS. I imagine it wouldn't even be particularly noticeable most of the time in Skyrim. Sure, it would be annoying every once in a while for like 3 milliseconds, but I assume most people would prefer that over the current game killing framerate problems.

Jep exactly my point. but then again screen tearing and texture problems will appear just like 360. It should have been a mix between ps3/360.
But Uncharted a 9h long and Skyrim is like 1000 times bigger so you can't really compare them with each other. Plus naughty dog has full access to Sony and knows the PS3 and its capability.
ME2 port had the same problem: Vsyn on: frame rate would reach up to 60fps but it also resulted in 15-25 fps in larger battles. Sony should import the games in future or just give it to people who know the hardware. Bioware, Beth, EA all big companies but can't import games to PS3 for some reason.... They should let Japanese developers handle it. Look at FF13, yakuza 4, valkyria chronicles, renaissance of fate,...

Not gonna bother with quoting since several replied to me.

Like theseeker2654 pointed out. If Vsync was the culprit the game would suffer from constant low but relatively stable FPS, in fact Vsync is the reason why the PS3's fps is constantly hovering around 26-30 instead of being a solid 30 like the 360. That's not the problem with the game, the problem (biggest one...) is the constant stutter and HUGE frame drops. I always said that it was a bunch of memory leaks that came from them copy pasting the code from the 360 version, instead of developing it properly for the PS3.


And no, screen tearing is the devil, leave v-sync on.

And as several others have clearly stated, VSync is not the culprit, but it's likely to be part of the problem. It certainly doesn't do anything to improve FPS, that's for sure.

But it's not the thing hurting it, and a lot of people were already screaming about getting rid of it for an fps boost. Have you seen the 360 version you would get 2 more fps once in a while and a whole bunch of screen tearing. It's not worth it in my opinion.

What's your save file at? Also, are you planning on restarting when another patch comes out? I mean I'll do it, don't get me wrong, but if a reinstall is the answer, I might wait for one more patch or at least a word from Bethesda like "woops, actually you DO have to restart your game our bad"

Guys I'm thinking of making a character just for finding hundreds of locations and dungeon diving to test the patch out. See if the savefile increases dramatically.

I'd like to hear how that goes.

See... this is why I don't want to play this game on PS3 right now. If we have to start new characters every time a patch comes out to get the increase in performance, it is not worth the time sink. I don't know about anyone else, but I work and go to school. I don't have more than an hour or two each day to play Skyrim, if I can manage to play at all. I don't want to loose three weeks worth of playtime each patch just because of Bethesda's incompetence.