Creation Kit maxing ram : V

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:58 pm

Really hoping someone can help me out here, been an ongoing problem for a while.

I'm working on a new lands mod, but when I load up my .esp along with Skyrim.esm in the Creation Kit it uses 3,400 mb ram straight off the bat, this leaves me no room to work as when you reach around 3.5 Gb ram it crashes, seeing as 32 bit programs can only use 4gb max. Also when you convert the .esp into .esm it uses up less than half the ram, but you can't edit/save .esm files so that leaves that out.

There must be some fix for this?

Edit: Fixed, thx.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:58 am

Prometheus had this issue a bit ago, maybe he can drop in and provide some tips. I'm not sure if he ever fixed it or not.

My new lands mod only uses up 1.7gb when loaded, so I'm still convinced that his (And yours now?) are loading something extra or something...

Do you have all of the BSA's unpacked? Maybe it's loading all those loose files instead of the packed content and using a HUGE amount of space or something?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:19 pm

Yeah it definately seems out of proportion, Skyrim on it's own only uses up about 1gb or less. Haven't unpacked any BSA's but i've got about 100ish custom trees, but I doubt it's that alone.

Thx man hopefully Prometheus can help me out then.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:43 pm

Just to get basics out of the way, does this happen if you only load Skyrim.esm, or any other .esp?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:42 am

Skyrim uses up less than 1gb ram, but that's because it's a .esm, when I convert mine to an .esm it's fine, just you can't edit them, apparently it's just how .esp's work unfourtunately.

But there must be ways around it as I know there's alot of big world modders out there.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:06 am

I don't think ESP's should suddenly take up your entire computer worth of ram... My mod is an esp and like I said it's just fine. I don't think it loads any less if I make it an esm. :/ (Though I haven't checked that, so it's just conjecture)

EDIT: Tested, my mod as an esp which is fairly large, plus Skyrim.esm loaded uses only 1120mb... I'd imagine it's almost identical with my mod as an esm. :/

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:24 am

^That's strange, my world is about the same size as Skyrim, altho it's bigger than yours it's only 20% at the most filled in. I've heard others say about how .esps take up alot more ram, don't understand why though

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:17 am

I've heard others say about how .esps take up alot more ram, don't understand why though

It's been that way since at least Morrowind. If you convert the esm's to esp's and load them in the toolset, they load in their entirity, rather than loading only what you need.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:20 pm

Bump

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:03 am

Seems to me to be caused by texture mods. I was running the CK with a pretty full implementation of the texture pack combiner mod and was regularly crashing due to lack of memory.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:17 pm

I'll check it out without the ground textures i've loaded in & get back

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:33 am

Ok so I realised I had 1gb worth of ground textures in the skyrim folder, although only half of these were loaded in the Creation Kit I figured this would be it... Deleted all the textures out of the folder to see, yet it somehow didn't change the memory usage one bit, it's still using 3.5 gb of ram.

Don't really understand, figured if I deleted 500 mb worth out of the kit it would make a change... but it's exactly the same. Something's hogging the memory.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:12 am

Well whether or not deleting those makes a difference depends on a lot of things. The CK may now just be loading them from elsewhere.

Random idea: Load just Skyrim.esm and see how much space it takes up. Then we can at least figure out if it's the master, or your mod that's causing the extra load.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:14 pm

It's definately my mod, Creation Kit itself uses 150 mb ram, Skyrim.esm loaded it uses 650 mb, Then add my .esp on top it uses 3,500 mb.

Also how could the kit be loading them from elsewhere if i've deleted them from my machine? But yeah maybe it's not that anyway.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:08 am

I have fixed by making the main esp an Esm , that way it considerably lowers the requests of ram , there is something that keeps keeping all the newly added content into the ram if is an esp but not if is an esm , so my sugestion is start learning to use version control and make an esm ....

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:47 pm

I thought you couldn't edit/save esm files? I made it an esm before by just simply editing the file name of it but couldn't save any changes

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:06 pm

I thought you couldn't edit/save esm files? I made it an esm before by just simply editing the file name of it but couldn't save any changes

You make your main file an esm, then any changes you make you save as a seperate ESP. You can then use version control (Don't ask, I have no clue how to use it) to merge the esp into the esm. That's how you'll have to work, as it appears that's how Prometheus fixed the issue.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:41 am

Alright cheers i'll give it a shot.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:40 pm

just a quick question, when I go to load it in the kit after changing it to ESM although it says "Custom.esm" next to it under the status collum it still says "Plugin file" is this normal?

Edit: nvm I got it.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:21 pm

http://www.creationkit.com/Version_control

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:54 pm

Just spent the last few hours setting up the Version Control, everything is done, so I decided to do a small test merge, added in a fence to a little village, saved it as "CustomEdit.esp", reloaded along with my .esm but when I go to merge it after clicking"Check in" it says:

"Could not locate target master file on network."

Have you had this problem Prometheus?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:31 am

because you wronged some settings of your folders in windows , it must be shared as the tutorial says .

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:55 am

Yep I've gone over & re-checked multiple times, checked every single letter in every spelling, made sure the folders are shared, read & writeable, everything worked fine, the thing where you do the ctrl + shift + b made all the files come up in the right places, the ContructionsetNetwork.ini file was made, I checked the allowed user, double checked. Still no luck :/

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:22 am

There's a pinned topic over on the Dark Creations forum -

http://www.darkcreations.org/forums/topic/1870-ck-version-control-discussion/

You should give it a read (10 pages) as it covers all manner of troubleshooting VC

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:30 pm

Yeahhhh Buddy done a clean install of it all & it worked, turned out the .fud files the kit made put them in the wrong folder. DERP

thanks for the help !