Dark Brotherhood as a "good guy"? : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:46 pm

Well, I think i may reload a save, kill Astrid, and go on to the Destroy the Dark Brotherhood quest. (and give up on marrying Miuri :wub:

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Has anyone done that quest path? Is it any good? Any good loot?

Are you playing on the PC? If so, there's a mod to marry anyone you want.

You could probably role-play the situation out with Miuri.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:03 am

Your basically the middle man, who's to blame, the sword or the hand.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:00 am

As a "good guy" come on you are summoned to contracts by human hearts and flesh you can't possibly be good, and while you thought you were doing the right thing by killing the old lady it really is bad because it is just overkill. She was just cranky and mean that gives you no reason to kill her.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:10 pm

I wish the DB questline gave me a flying horse and allowed me to become High King of Skyrim.

The questline's obviously not meant for you. That's not the writer's fault. Roll a new character if you want to make an assassin, but chances are he won't come out clean. Sort of impossible to, actually.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:25 am

As a "good guy" come on you are summoned to contracts by human hearts and flesh you can't possibly be good, and while you thought you were doing the right thing by killing the old lady it really is bad because it is just overkill. She was just cranky and mean that gives you no reason to kill her.

She was not just cranky and mean, she was sadistic. Emotional torture of generations of kids. Go talk to Balimund's apprentice about it.

No sympathy for Grelod, but yeah, an assassin is an assassin.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:34 am

The Dark Brotherhood isn't a group that hands out puppies and kittens and looks to help out others.

You want honorable killing and approvable assassinations, then you want the Morag Tong.

The Dark Brotherhood only care about murder, and being the ones to commit it. All the better if they get paid well enough for it in the process.

Prob because if the world ends he dies too?
In the grand scale of things its kinda hard to steal or kill people if there is no one to steal or kill from.

Some people don't care about how much money there is to steal. Some people just want to watch the world burn.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:12 am

It's called the Dark Brotherhood for a reason :wink:

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:41 am

the final part of this questline was worth the price of admission for me. very satisfying

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:21 pm

To me some of the quests gave me a good reason to kill the person. I really did feel for Muiri and had no remorse at all for killing that bandit, didnt kill the other person though as that would make me a "bad guy" as well.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:27 am

Wow, talk about an OP fail. In what world did you think the DB, which was Tamriel's most feared and bloodthirsty guild of assassins, would have a good guy option? The fact they gave good guys the option to kill them off is plenty, considering options everywhere else are already lacking, no Silverhand wiping out the circle, only one pro-Thalmor (very mini) quest, the lack of options for a certain conspiracy etc etc...

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:37 am

Any organization who even ponders the murder of innocents and pay more than lip service to demons are morally repugnant. Oh, and the Black Sacrament too.

As a "good guy" come on you are summoned to contracts by human hearts and flesh you can't possibly be good, and while you thought you were doing the right thing by killing the old lady it really is bad because it is just overkill. She was just cranky and mean that gives you no reason to kill her.

Ever noticed those manacles on the walls in the orphanage?
She's one mean mutha

» Thu May 31, 2012 11:38 pm

Dark Brotherhood is neutral guild, actually.
They kill - sometimes they kill good people, sometimes they kill bad people.
If you can't accept that, then DB is not a guild for you.
This sort of complaint is similar to that where some dude complained how he hates being forced to worship the Night Mother and Sithis when he joins DB.
What's next, people will complain about having to perform assassinations in DB too? >_>

Also, your only reason to kill someone is to fulfill the contract.
Why someone wants someone dead is non of your business.
If you get lucky to find that out, then good for you.
If you don't, you have no right to complain about it.
That's the way DB is.

The Dark Brotherhood murders for money and worships a malevolent death deity. I think that's a chapter in the Handbook for Villains.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:28 am

Though to play a genuinely bad character makes no sense in the grand scheme of the game. Why would a generally bad, or if say we talk D&D alignments, Chaotic Evil or even Chaotic Neutral for that matter, go through a long drawn out quest line to save the world?

In addition to the points already made as to why an "evil" character might also participate in the main quest, I'd like to ask why that character has to complete the main quest at all? Why not just make a character specifically designed to be "evil" and be part of the Dark Brotherhood and that's it? That's what I do. It's also a hell of a lot more believable than a single person becoming the leader of every guild in the province AND saving the world from the Dragon God of Time.

The Dark Brotherhood murders for money and worships a malevolent death deity. I think that's a chapter in the Handbook for Villains.

I always bring this up in topics about the DB, and this is no exception. Sithis is not a "malevolent death deity." Sithis is the Void, nothingness, everything that Is-Not. Sithis has no whims or consciousness or anything. They worship the concept of chaos.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:46 am

Sithis is many, many things; sure the Dark Brotherhood worships him as the Void, but nobody actually knows what he/it is (even the actual lore on him is confusing). Malevolent death deity works, from an outsider's PoV.

Sort of like how the Night Mother is a weird corpse-thing, an Imperial woman in Morrowind or even Mephala.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:16 am

i'm kind of disappointed with the dark brotherhood questline. I am playing a generally nuetral to good character. I would do just about anything but for the most part would need a good reason. I wanted to do the DB questline and join to become some sort of "good guy" assassin. helping out those who were wronged sort of thing.

It started out that way when i went to kill the woman at the orphanage, it turns out she was abusing the children, so that fit perfect. But it seems like after that all the MQ missions and the side kills are just killing people cause you are told to or paid to. Not because the targets did something wrong or aweful to anyone

I wish they had made it so there would be some way to go down this line in the brotherhood without being just a cold hearted killed. Like i said, my character isn;t some sort of saint, far from it, but she would just kill someone to kill someone.

svcks cause i really want to marry Miuri but this is the only way to do it.

What are your thoughts on the way they made this questline???

you expect the dark brotherhood, an assassin order that kills for sithis and gold, to kill only people who are bad? :facepalm:

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:16 am

Well, I think i may reload a save, kill Astrid, and go on to the Destroy the Dark Brotherhood quest. (and give up on marrying Miuri :wub:

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Has anyone done that quest path? Is it any good? Any good loot?

i play a neutral role pretty much, i'm head of the dark brotherhood, i'm also arch mage, head of the companions, i'm thane in riften and markarth..lets see what else, i'm level 54...i had no problem killing the emperor and a few of the other guys...even though i'm not evil i will do some evil stuff like in your case wanting to marry murri...just kill the 2 people and you marry her and thats that..i do the minimum in the dark brotherhood, just enough to become the leader...i'm not gonna do too many assasination jobs but i will do a few here and there for the cash...the dark brotherhood followers are good at sneaking and if you get late in the game they'll be pretty tough.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:22 pm

i completely agree - senseless killing is silly. second - these are contracts made by people, verified by nobody. this means that i should be able to outright lie to astrid or nazeem about fulfilling contracts. it'd be nice if you could give your marks 1000 gold and tell them 'you need to disappear from this country forever'. there's no dark mother to verify all events concerning the db.

Some of this is not true. I won't say what. But I can say that the DB questline seems to be the most imaginative questline I have played so far. It's really whacked out. It's also really fun!

I never played DB before - I am glad I did!

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:14 am

i'm kind of disappointed with the dark brotherhood questline. I am playing a generally nuetral to good character. I would do just about anything but for the most part would need a good reason. I wanted to do the DB questline and join to become some sort of "good guy" assassin. helping out those who were wronged sort of thing.

It started out that way when i went to kill the woman at the orphanage, it turns out she was abusing the children, so that fit perfect. But it seems like after that all the MQ missions and the side kills are just killing people cause you are told to or paid to. Not because the targets did something wrong or aweful to anyone

I wish they had made it so there would be some way to go down this line in the brotherhood without being just a cold hearted killed. Like i said, my character isn;t some sort of saint, far from it, but she would just kill someone to kill someone.

svcks cause i really want to marry Miuri but this is the only way to do it.

What are your thoughts on the way they made this questline???

I am having this dilemma myself. My Nord character is mostly good but has spent time worshipping Daedra and being in the thieves guild. I am justifying my Daedra worship as my character learning the dark arts to become more powerful. I am justifying my thieves guild missions as just trying to work my way up in the organization to get to the top and make it a more positive guild. Seems I will probably use this mentality for the Dark Brotherhood as well. I figure if I do the evil stuff before I do any main questing, that all the good I do in the latter portion of the game should make up for the bit of evil I do to work my way to the top of the evil guilds. Although, I am in agreement with you that it would be much easier to justify the DB killings if they were for a reason like the first mission.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:09 am

Killing is never a good thing. Never.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:14 am

i'm kind of disappointed with the dark brotherhood questline. I am playing a generally nuetral to good character. I would do just about anything but for the most part would need a good reason. I wanted to do the DB questline and join to become some sort of "good guy" assassin. helping out those who were wronged sort of thing.

It started out that way when i went to kill the woman at the orphanage, it turns out she was abusing the children, so that fit perfect. But it seems like after that all the MQ missions and the side kills are just killing people cause you are told to or paid to. Not because the targets did something wrong or aweful to anyone

I wish they had made it so there would be some way to go down this line in the brotherhood without being just a cold hearted killed. Like i said, my character isn;t some sort of saint, far from it, but she would just kill someone to kill someone.

svcks cause i really want to marry Miuri but this is the only way to do it.

What are your thoughts on the way they made this questline???

kill them all imo. dark brotherhood doesn't deserve to live, the have gotten too weak

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:59 am

Well, I finally remembered that earlier in the game i was atacked by an assassin. After looting his dead body there was a note that from the Dark Brotherhood leader (forget her name) to kill me at all costs.

That made my mind up for me. i will not be marrying Miuri because i can not see my character joining a group that already tried to kill her.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:45 pm

You've GOT to be kidding me. You're dissapointed in a strictly evil quest line -that has always been that way - for not being evil? I thought this was blatantly obvious because you worship a god/spirit/entity/whatever that you murder people for. I'm actually dissapointed that it wasn't even more evil.

» Thu May 31, 2012 11:21 pm

Killing is never a good thing. Never.

true, but it is at least justifiable in some cases, such as self defense.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:28 pm

You've GOT to be kidding me. You're dissapointed in a strictly evil quest line -that has always been that way - for not being evil? I thought this was blatantly obvious because you worship a god/spirit/entity/whatever that you murder people for. I'm actually dissapointed that it wasn't even more evil.

You actually don't know this until you are in the dark brotherhood. You just know that some kid ws doing some "ritual" that actually didn't work because you are the only one that showed up. Then you investigate the orphanage to find out the woman is abusing children so you off the child abuser. Next thing you know you are tied up and kidnapped. So, really, till you are in the brotherhood you actually have now idea if they are good/ evil, killing for a purpose, killing for fun, killing just for money, or what. Up till that point you could have done everything with the best of intentions.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:21 am

i'm kind of disappointed with the dark brotherhood questline. I am playing a generally nuetral to good character. I would do just about anything but for the most part would need a good reason. I wanted to do the DB questline and join to become some sort of "good guy" assassin. helping out those who were wronged sort of thing.

It started out that way when i went to kill the woman at the orphanage, it turns out she was abusing the children, so that fit perfect. But it seems like after that all the MQ missions and the side kills are just killing people cause you are told to or paid to. Not because the targets did something wrong or aweful to anyone

I wish they had made it so there would be some way to go down this line in the brotherhood without being just a cold hearted killed. Like i said, my character isn;t some sort of saint, far from it, but she would just kill someone to kill someone.

svcks cause i really want to marry Miuri but this is the only way to do it.

What are your thoughts on the way they made this questline???

You're trying to play the game in terms of black and white---when all the TES games have ever been about is shades of gray. :lol:

I think that first induction into the DB and one other quest are the only assassination contracts which allow you to choose the "good" option. There's only one other one which I can think of (the contract in Ivarstead) where you can exploit the cheat console and NOT kill the target NPC---yet still earn credit for the asssination.

I do admire your determination of playing a near paladin like character (aka an angelic assassin with a conscience). Unfortunately, you'll never become the DB master (or marry Muiri) if you constrain yourself to operating that way. You see, the Night Mother takes no prisoners. :laugh:

Hail Sithis!