For all derps here, I'm referring to Bethesda as the Publisher, not Developer.

I feel it would have been much better if they assigned ZenimaxOnline the job to make an Elder Scrolls set way before any of the Bethesda Studio's ones. The difference I believe they should have done is make it not an MMO, but a Co-op RPG. It could be like Oblivion, Morrowind, or even Skyrim, just with co-op. The current MMO status of TES:O completely destroys core Elder Scrolls gameplay. You lose immersion. You lose that personal touch to all Elder Scrolls games that made them what they are. How can you explore where ever this game is set when there are idiots saying/writing, "TRADE ME PLEASE! LOW LOW PRICES" ? I'm heavily disappointed by this game, and hope it doesn't bring mindless idiots into a series which I hold so dearly.

Bringing new players to a single-player series brings no problems, it's just when the series is changed by the new players I get mad.

There have always and will always be a load of mindless idiots who like these games along with all the smart people hiding in the lore section. Don't worry about it.

And TESO is set a thousand years before Skyrim. If that's not way way before, then I think we're on different timescales.

I know this. Skyrim brought a lot of those typical I-play-Runescape-so-I'll-play-this kinds of players. I know a couple of friends in real life who play Runescape, and only bought Skyrim because it looked identical. My real problem is when those new players start to demand changes without any regards to lore.

Yes, it was a must. The single player games are dumbed down and stale now.

If they would have continued with the single player games, then it would have gotten pretty repetitive and boring. Then down the line somewhere everyone would all be asking for a multiplayer ES.

But... Bethesda didn't go this route. Zenimax did. Zenimax Media owns Bethesda. Zenimax Media also owns Zenimax Online Studios. Bethesda hasn't anything to do with this aside consultation.

EDIT: To clarify - I agree with you. I find this news deeply depressing and I feel it'll do nothing but cheapen the franchise as a whole. Still, I don't think Bethesda has had a huge amount to do with the production OR the publication of this title.

I'm particularly annoyed by the "Heal me please" lines...

Hate to break it to you, but Skyrim realdy did that. I can't imagine the MMO version being any less simple/easy.

Wait, Zenimax owns Bethesda?

Crap crap crap crap, I've seen this before in an almost identical situation.
I will not use the names but I used to play an MMO about 6 or 7 years ago, while in the beginning it was actually a good game and promoted a challenge.
It was apparently owned by a company under another major company just like you kind of said.
About 2 years into the game as it was getting quite popular, the Major company started to take notice of it and decided to take over.
Since then the game slowly started to get worse as they began to make content that basically went against the common game mechanics and also started spoon feeding the players.
they left out any challenge the game had and just about gave the (Common MMO) players everything they wanted.

for me, this MMO turned into a piece of crap and I quit when they went too far.

I don't know what Zenimax could do with the Elder Scrolls but by the looks of it, I don't like where it's going.

Wait a minute, I've been playing TES since Arena was first released and I don't want multiplayer ES, nor do I find ES to be repetitive or boring (they do seem to be getting simpler with every iteration though). When, specifically, is this supposed to happen?

I did find WoW to be repetitive and boring after a couple of months. Now I find all MMO's to be repetitive and boring.

Fact is that if you have been following these forums for any amount for any TES game you would know well that Multiplayer is and has always been one of the first and most requested feature that TES fans ask for, Bethesda has even gone on record to say that Dragons and multiplayer has ALWAYS been the most asked for new feature for TES games and yes there are just as many who want an mmo version as there are who wanta co-op version. Now we have Zen making the mmo version, so we have come full circle for the fans, Dragons ( skyrim ) and online ( TESO ). That still leaves the door open for Beth to make a true TES game with co-op.

i dont get the pesimism you all seem to have about a game you have not played, sure it would svck if zeni started changing crap without regard to the lore because of some idiot decided it would be cool, but, that will not happen, zeni is at least attepting to be as close to the lore as possible.

You don't understand Zenimax media's corporate structure, so I'll lay it down for you.

Zenimax media itself is little more than a shell company nowadays. It has some of the decision big-wigs in it, but it doesn't have any real economic output. It's main responsibility is the management of various properties, and that is one of the functions that bethesda's founder created Zenimax for.

Below Zenimax is Bethesda Softworks, which was split from the game development section of betehsda to become a full-fledged publishing house.

Then you have the game developers, which include Bethesda Game Studios, Zenimax online Studios, and the various developers that Zenimax Media has bought. Zenimax online studios was created back in 2007 (I remember reading an article about in the Washington Post while eating at Ruby Tuesday's) so that Zenimax Media would have an in-house MMO developer.

Zenimax online studios does not, in any way, own bethesda game studios. Both developers are owned by Zenimax Media, which was originally created by Bethesda's founder.

That may be what you feel. I don't find them repetitive just yet, but they're getting pretty stale. But then again, the time span between ES games are like 6 years or more. One might go crazy just waiting for a new ES. But from the people that want new stuff, this is perfect. There are the hardcoe single-player ES gamers, and there are gamers that want to see multiplayer.

I'm going to wait till the game comes out before i judge it. So far im not upset its a MMO but the fact that dunmer , nords and argonians are allies. If anything the Dunmer would force the Argonians to fight with them. Nords wouldnt ally them selves with a elf race and a beast race over men from any type of threat. I could actually see the nords fighting this threat by them selves then allying with the Dunmer and Argonians. Learning from the lore of the little know about Argonians, they are a race that worry about there own interest then the out side unless it affects them directly. I think they should of did a better job making these fractions. Im going to wait till it comes out and see if the story will win me over. Right now i think this destroys the lore

Already answered this for you in another thread.
I will just repost all of it. You said...

My Answer

If you want multiplayer go play a game that has multiplayer instead of forcing it upon a strictly single-player series?

It's not a single player series anymore. It's time for change.

Every post you make is so full, oozing and driping fanboyism that is hard to take you seriously.

TES was, is, and will ever be about YOU and the world. Put another Joe, and the immersion is gone.

Ummm no its always been about the WORLD, you ( we ) as players have always been just another Hero in the long list of famed hero's throughout TES lore and history.

Exactly Boreilx! What Elder Scrolls was in the past has nothing to with where it's heading now. I'd be shocked if there wasn't some sort of multiplayer in ES VI. I'm surprised it took them this long to finally branch out.

You can continue to play just the single player games. They arent forcing you to play this.

Sorry man, if there is one thing that is true about TES games is that multiple people like them for multiple reasons. For me it has always been about the LORE. I like how my mind imagines the World better most of the time anyways. Not that I am unimpressed by the Artstyle the artists use of course.

So now you are suggesting that even SP TES games should have multiplayer? Why exactly? I mean that putting even more multiplayer to the series might alienate a good chunk of fans. And I'd appreciate if you'd show some reasons for your suggestions and opinions, I'm curious what leads you to think so and it could help your point making.