Dishonored Tarot Cards and regular Major Arcana Names

Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 4:09 am

So, does anyone know to which regular, traditional cards of the Major Arcana the Dishonored cards correspond to?

It's quite confusing, since both Dishonored and the regular decks share a few names (Death, The Empress, Judgement etc), but only the number of the Fool (the Outsider) is the same.

I'm really not into Tarot, but now that I have a deck, I looked it up - and couldn't make heads or tails of the Dishonored deck since I don't know which Dishonored cards correspond to which Traditional cards. And stuff like that drives me crazy, now I NEED to know.

If anyone knows, or has a hotline to the designers/writers, let me know.

Thanks.
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:20 am

I was looking through mine too; I was trying to see the future. It said that one day I would be walking through an alley with a sweet roll and three thugs would jump me and demand the sweet roll...then the vision ends.
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:39 am

The Dishonored Tarot deck isn't like traditional Tarot decks, and they can't be used for divining.
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Post » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:45 pm

Oh, I know it's not exactly like a traditional deck, but there are enough similarities to make me think that the person who designed the deck and chose the Numbers and Names of the Dishonored Major Arcana did this with some kind of plan, and I would really like to know.

Not for divining purposes - despite the fact that seeing my future could hardly be more depressing than living my present - I would just like to know.
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 8:43 am

Oh, I know it's not exactly like a traditional deck, but there are enough similarities to make me think that the person who designed the deck and chose the Numbers and Names of the Dishonored Major Arcana did this with some kind of plan, and I would really like to know.

Not for divining purposes - despite the fact that seeing my future could hardly be more depressing than living my present - I would just like to know.
Well, I did look into it once, but I never got anywhere. I guess you could take the numbers on the trumps and match them with a traditional deck?
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:55 am

Problem with that is that both the Traditional and the Dishonored Deck have several cards with the same name but different numbers. As an example, both Decks feature "Death", but the Traditional Tarot lists Death as card number XIII (13), while the Dishonored Deck gives him the number XXI (21). Same goes for The Hermit, The World, The Empress, Judgement.

Since the same cards have different number values, it's pretty much impossible to match them, hence my current quest for wisdom...
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Post » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:36 pm

The Dishonored Tarot deck isn't like traditional Tarot decks, and they can't be used for divining.

Oh, also: The top of the packaging of the Dishonored Tarot Card reads: "Playing and Divinatory Cards"...
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:28 pm

Why should they respond to any traditional tarot deck in the first place again? Oh you mean TAROT, the thing that has no solid form and has been altered over a million times. I was assuming we were talking to some preset structure that must be followed or it is punishable by death. Silly me.
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:09 am

Well, you are silly. Saves me from pointing that out.

The Major Arcana (as they would eventually be called), the 22 suitless face cards that come with names and roman numbers (except for one card, the Fool), have been pretty much unchanged since they evolved, both for "divinatory" Tarot Decks (that started seeing use in the late 18th century) as well as the non-occult decks that started to spread in the late 15th Century.

There are several differences when it comes to naming or symbolism or depiction, but the order and general meaning stayed the same. As an example, the Deck devised by Aleister Crowley, the "Toth Tarot" differs from the "Rider-Waite" tarot deck (the most popular divinatory deck), new depictions aside, only in the names. The place of the cards, their Roman Number, is always the same, and in that way, you can say that one card of one deck corresponds to another card in a different deck, despite the difference in names.

The "problem" with the Dishonored cards is, as I stated several times already (but, hey, I get it: Silly), that they feature several cards with a name found in traditional decks, but NOT with the same number/place as the traditional card.

Death Card in Dishonored: XXI
Death Card in every other Divinatory Tarot Deck: XIII

Hence my inquiry as to the underlying system of the Dishonored Tarot Deck. Unless, of course, nobody cared and they just jumbled the numbers and names on it - which would be a small but notable disappointment.

A product that proclaims itself on its packaging, cheat sheet and info-leaflet to be a "divinatory card deck" and "used for divination" 7 times in three different languages, yet does not correspond with the traditional divinatory card decks (that have remained essentially unchanged since their conception 250 years ago) nor offers a Dishonored-Universe specific guideline for divination, seems to be lacking something very essential in my opinion.
For a game that is so overly attentive to detail, it would be quite a surprise if they had overlooked the lack of a system for these cards.
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:13 am

The Developers have said that this is their own take on a stylized Dishonored-themed card deck in the SIMILAR principle of the tarot decks. So, no, they don't have to make it 1:1 accurate and it's better not to because sticking to something like that is quite silly.
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:40 am

So when will they release their Dishonored guidelines for their self-proclaimed "Playing and DIVINATORY Cards"?

Because making something for a certain purpose (as it is stated on the packaging and other places), then rendering that purpose impossible by neither making the product fit with convention, nor providing an alternate set of rules or system for their variation, all for the sole purpose of being "different" and "special", that sounds quite silly to me.

So, yes, for the cards to do what the cover and manual say they do, you need to have one of those two things: Conform to an already established system or bring your own system.
But there isn't. There are quite extensive rules for the Game of Nancy, but nothing on the purported "divinatory" aspect or usage of the cards.
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Post » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:16 pm

Yeah, they aren't really "divinatory", like I already said. You can only play the game of Nancy with them or maybe other Tarot deck games that don't feature the Major Arcana. (I am quite sure they exists, correct me if I am wrong)

But if you were expecting it to be a 1:1 Tarot Deck then you should have noticed the poster for it where it clearly shows that "Death" (Corvo) is XXI. Besides, I don't see what the big deal is, you still get a stylized Dishonored deck with a game for it. You may even create your own meaning for the cards based on the knowledge you have of the characters from the game. Unless you are some sort of fanatic (like that guy was claiming that Tarot cards are sacred) then I suggest you enjoy them for what they are.
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Post » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:18 pm

This is why I like the concept of chaos magic. Anything goes. :chaos:
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Post » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:45 pm

This is why I like the concept of chaos magic. Anything goes. :chaos:

I love you even more now. Although, "anything goes" as long as it's quality and the cards are definitely quality. So jelly of the people who have them :/
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Post » Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:16 pm

So, does anyone know to which regular, traditional cards of the Major Arcana the Dishonored cards correspond to?

It's quite confusing, since both Dishonored and the regular decks share a few names (Death, The Empress, Judgement etc), but only the number of the Fool (the Outsider) is the same.

I'm really not into Tarot, but now that I have a deck, I looked it up - and couldn't make heads or tails of the Dishonored deck since I don't know which Dishonored cards correspond to which Traditional cards. And stuff like that drives me crazy, now I NEED to know.

If anyone knows, or has a hotline to the designers/writers, let me know.

Thanks.
the only thing they have in common is that it is possible to play nancy with a regular deck of tarot cards if you dont have the dishonored set. the dishonored set isnt a full deck of tarot and you cant use them to tell fortunes
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