So I'm seeing about as much hate as I am love for this game, and it begs the question what world do you live in, that you can hate this game? I am an avid gamer, and have played plenty of rpg's and shooters etc but nothing and I mean nothing is as detailed as Skyrim. Nothing is as BIG as skyrim. and most certainly... nothing is as pretty as Skyrim. So my question is... If you hate this game, what have you played thats better?


*Please note that the statements reading : Nothing is as -blank- as skyrim, are referring to THIS generation of games. I know daggerfall was bigger etc.

I'm seriously starting to think that most of it is because people have no lives and don't know how to buy other games :\ Or they are spoiled brats who think everythings suppose to be exactly how they want it.

Some complaints are legit though...most not.

Daggerfall, Morrowind, Oblivion.


Battlefield 3, Crysis. Even when it comes to open world games, Grand Theft Auto IV and Red Dead Redemption are much smoother, and nicer looking.

Now, onto my legitimate points. Hate for Skyrim stems from the exact same issues that cause every new Elder Scrolls title to lose old fans, but gain newer ones. The removal of things such as certain skills, as well as attributes, was a deep blow to many of the old-school fans of the series. Not to mention the loss of spellmaking. The UI is garbage (I still don't see what was wrong with Morrowind's, even on Xbox). Combat, while improved since Oblivion, is still quite lackluster. It feels more weighted, but it still suffers from the same issues that were present in Oblivion. There's no parrying, counter-attacks etc. and the combat still feels clunky. Balance issues, as far as builds go, still exist- melee is far and away the best choice, especially at higher difficulties, as has always been the case.

I still like it. Probably my favourite game of the last couple years. I can just recognise that the complaints regarding the game are legitimate issues, for the most part.

In the end the haters gather to forums to complain... as you can see: http://store.steampowered.com/stats/, from steam alone plenty are in game enjoying Skyrim.

I'm playing it a lot and am enjoying it, but I could see how some might not like it. The writing isn't fantastic (I've yet to come across a quest that really grabbed me), which takes away from any sense of story.

I personally don't see how people could dislike the game. It is the best game I have ever played besides a few others which were good because they were addicting like super smash bros. (over 1000 hours on that game AT LEAST) or an adventure that ended up not lasting long (Windwaker was so awesome but I wish it would never had ended).

GTA and red dead... Smoother? No, they aren't. I've gotten 100% complete in both of those and played quite a bit of online. They are not smoother. Also Skyrim is bigger than oblivion, it has been stated several times now, also I had a disclaimer counting out prior generations. I wasn't speaking of graphics, I was speaking of art design, which battlefield and crysis have none of.

But anyways, It seems to me like you didn't read the entire post as I asked for a game that was better, and nothing of that was mentioned.

Better games? I suppose I can name a few.

Halo: Combat Evolved, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, Planescape: Torment, Fallout, Fallout 2, Deus Ex, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic.

It's about on par with Fallout: New Vegas. Great, not amazing.

I got into The Elder Scrolls starting with Morrowind. I didn't really care for Oblivion much but it was still an ok game. Skyrim on the other hand brings me back to the good old days of Morrowind I love that game and Skyrim is taking that away so far I really enjoy this game. People that talk [censored] about it don't know what a good game is so to all that talk [censored] about Skyrim or any other Elder Scrolls game go [censored] yourself.

You remind me of my older brother. Always answering the question while missing the point... While I will say that several of those games are at the same level, KotoR being the only that I agree surpasses skyrim. I am once again speaking to the current generation of games. And I strongly disagree with your comparison to fallout new vegas. To me New Vegas was like the original saints row, kinda poo but a fun kinda poo.

it seems you and I have very different tastes, therefore neither will agree. therefore, both our points are moot.

There are larger games, they just happen to be nowhere near as graphically intensive. Games like Minecraft, Dwarf Fortress, Ultima Underworld, etc. are all based on huge areas.

Also, I'm coming off of playing Mount and Blade to play Oblivion. Yeah, sure, graphics are vastly improved, but the combat in that game is much more natural-feeling. Plus I get to do things like charge people with a lance or use horse archery while leading an army I have some marginal control over.

Also, when you really get right down to it, basically all the improvements that Bethesda has been making on the game have basically been nothing more than making some official version of a mod that existed in Oblivion.

Marriage seems especially glaring to me, as I've seen at least a dozen companion mods that gave you companions that had detailed backstories and as much personality as the modders could manage to cram into the limits of the way the game let you program schedules. Then Bethesda decides to incorporate some of this, and basically just has marriage where it makes no difference who you marry, they all say the same lines in the same voice and it only results in an NPC's "home" area being repositioned and giving you a free pie every day. They also took the "bold" step of not bothering to have any sort of gender-check variable so that they wouldn't have to write another line of dialogue based upon what gender your character has. That's not "being open-minded to gay marriage", that's just lazy programming. As it stands, marriage is basically a way of adding a walking piece of furniture to your house. Instant marriage, just add Amulet of Mara!

Even worse, I'm still waiting on Bethesda to actually notice some of those mods, especially the ones based upon OBSE. In Oblivion, I had a mod that let me assign extra hotkeys to basically every key on my keyboard I wasn't already using for something else. I could bind healing myself to "G", which would make my spell switch to the healing spell, heal myself, then switch back to my old spell (which was usually an offensive spell). I bound healing others to "T", and summoning a daedroth to "B". All things that I would want to cast quickly without going through a menu to select, but which I wouldn't need to time precisely in conjunction with aiming the way my other spells would require.

Then you get to the immersion that Bethesda was obviously trying so hard to make, but then wound up making some of the same mistakes they made in oblivion, with odd bugs and people with the same voice talking to one another.

Current Generation? Do you even know what you talking about?

How about.....

L.A Noir

I think some of those who do not like Skyrim, do not like it because they might have become attached to a particular part of the game and refuse to adapt when that changes. TES is more than one game, it is a series of stories from various parts of a fantasy world. Every part has its specific characteristics, every story its own feel. You have to open up to that. I didn't like the change from Morrowind to Oblivion at first, but I still ended up loving Oblivion. There are aspects about Skyrim that so far I do not like, but I know I will adapt and grow to love the unique feel of this game.

The again, there is a new generation of gamers who emphasize pretty animations over a solid story and a complex and detailed world. I for one prefer the Tolkien Books over the movie.

Skyrim hater : me

Yeah? what about it? Its got a pretty face but thats really it. another game I played to 100% complete in a single weekend. it was very short and very boring.

I have a love hate relationship. I'm still getting use to the system. Sometimes there are times when Skyrim makes me just go rawr.

People have different opinions, news at 11.


I personally am really enjoying this game, but some of the glitch issues are enough to make annoyed. Not 'I hate you all and I hope you die' sort of feelings, but I can see where a lot of people might be put off. Quite frankly, the UI is a pita even on the 360, I can't imagine how annoying it is for PC users, some people are basically playing blobs of colour with texture problems, and they stripped away things people enjoyed in the other games, especially Oblivion and Morrowind. There's plenty to love in Skyrim, but there's also plenty to be annoyed about.

I'd also like to point out that there is a difference between someone having a complaint and someone being a "hater". People who just don't like the game don't visit the forums. People who weren't anticipating what the game could be don't buy the game in the first three days of release. People can generally like a game, but have valid complaints.

so then you have never grasped the concept of differing opinions? besides its the internet, people complain about every thing regardless if they have a reason to or not... sort of like threads that complain about complaining.

What about this people that think Skyrim svcks stay off this part of the fourm. This here would do the job so we don't have to hear all the [censored]ing. Also for the ones the are trying to help with all the bugs and stuff keep up the good work just don't talk [censored] about it or put down the Dev. on their job they did their damn best to give us a good game and that is what they gave.

agreed my good man.

@ others, I have seen people just raving about how bad it is simply because of one flaw, like for instance someone not understanding how to hotkey something WHICH YOU CAN DO ON THE PC. And I get there are real problems but when I see 50 "Get your [censored] together bethesda" I don't understand it.

How, exactly, is claiming anyone who has any complaint of any sort to automatically be an idiot in any way better than having a complaint about the game? Do you honestly think this game absolutely perfect, with no bugs, UI errors, or clearly lazy programming tricks used like line reuse? If so, you clearly aren't playing the same game the rest of us are.

You can complain about complainers all you want, but you are even more guilty of bias than the "unpleasable idiots".

i get your sentiment, but there have been thread complaining about complainers before and the mods usually shut them down, instead of trying to draw a line in the fan base why not take that constructive information (like that about how to hotkey) and post it in the complainers threads and help them enjoy the game. instead of stigmatize them.

@wraith_magus every elderscroll game since morrowind has reused lines, it is a trick, but one that allows the developers to devote more time into crafting content of the game that is not so easily reused, like modeling armor and weapons. its about priorities. some people value others differently than what the developers take into consideration, but that does not mean the developers were trying to decieve people who value the things that did not get as much attention.

What about this: You give us an unbiased, researched explanation of the difference between whining and 'constructive criticism' and provide proof that the developers are responding to the various complaints, and they'll leave. Fair enough?



Good luck with that.


These forums are available to everyone, not just people who want to pat Bethesda on the back and rub their bellies, cooing about what good boys they've been. I respect the devs and enjoy their games enough to shell out cash for them, I expect them to listen to my and everyone else who has an issue's complaints.

Because if someone is too lazy to read the user manual I don't believe in helping them.

@others No I don't believe the game is perfect, My super computer has texture slips fairly regularly but Hell I'd rather play with blue trees and plaid shadows than play anything else. That is my point. The unnecessary hate in the complaint threads, although I do see validity in your don't hate the haters logic.

EDIT- I don't have the UI bugs that plague others, I researched the problems the game had ahead of time and picked up a controller specifically to avoid them. Which is probably part of my lack of rage. Although avoiding a problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'd recommend plugging in a USB controller in for the time being...